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Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

I remember this article from a previous thread similar to this one. Very well-written. Honestly, I'm sick of hearing about the 9/11 attacks being a hoax. Knock it off with your lame conspiracy theories.
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Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:




Books.. whats your PROOF that there are multiple videos?


well i don't have PROOF but in an area like that there are many security cameras on top of buildings and such

what's your PROOF a 757 hit the pentagon?


Ummm, the people that were on the 757. Maybe their families? If it was a missle then where the hell are the passengers on the 757?
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Originally posted by BooksAndLeaves BooksAndLeaves wrote:


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:


Books.. whats your PROOF that there are multiple videos?
well i don't have PROOF


So, no, you dont have proof? Good to know.


Riddle me this... AGAIN, if our government wanted to attack us, you would think they would have forseen the recession that happened aterword that we are just now recovering from.

Edited by Linus - 22 March 2006 at 6:06pm

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Linus, explain this.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
That's not osama.

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Originally posted by Bango Bango wrote:

Ummm, the people that were on the 757. Maybe their families? If it was a missle then where the hell are the passengers on the 757?


that's the weird thing..
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Jet fuel cant melt steel...steel was melted.
Originally posted by PM PM wrote:

Jet fuel burns at 800 to 1500F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat.





Cedric.. that website is pure speculation from people who probably dont have any experience authenticating videos, do they?

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Linus you are the worst debator of all time
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Yea it being sept up by our own gov't is just stupid and the fact thats o gee i duno like how many people actully saw it with their own eyes and the bin laden tape of him sayin he was help setin it up and that he didnt even plan for them 2 fall that was sjut a bonus to him or w/e so yea.... ne1 who thinks goverment did it is jsut stupid cause if they really wanted to kill a bunch of their own people (makes no sense) they wouldnt even bother covering it up
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Jet fuel cant melt steel...steel was melted.
Originally posted by PM PM wrote:

Jet fuel burns at 800 to 1500F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat.





Cedric.. that website is pure speculation from people who probably dont have any experience authenticating videos, do they?

Anyone with eyes can see it's not him. Not to mention he's wearing a gold watch and ring, which is strictly forbidden by islamic law. Such an extremeist would never consider wearing them. Also, isn't writing with his dominant hand.

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Well, how are at least 7 of the hijackers still alive? How did the black boxes get destroyed, but a passport survived? How come osama, a religious extremest, is wearing gold in his video, a strict no-no for him. How come he's writing with the wrong hand? How come the engine dimensions found at the pentagon are roughly 1/3 of those of a 757? How come there was a line on the lawn in line with the "plane" ahead of time already? How come there are no wings, or damage from the wings with the impact at the pentagon? How come if you watch the stills the FBI released regarding the pentagon...you see nothing...then an explosion...no HUGE 757 ANYWHERE in the frames. How come the people on the planes were calling loved ones, and using their full names for some reason, and asking "you beleive me right?"
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Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

Linus, explain this.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
That's not osama.

I rebut ALL references to that site with a link to their index:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/quickindex/

By association with the vast amount of total nonsense on that site, any claim presented therefrom faces a much higher burden of proof.

(Translation:  That site is full of crap.  I won't believe anything from that site without independent verification from a reputable source.)

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who calls their mother and replies with "Hello, this is (full name)" "There are men on the plane"

mother says "Who are these men?"

a pause then he simply says "You believe me right?"

Mother replies "yes, but" asking once more "Who are these men?"

then she's disconnected
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Well if you knew you were gonna die, you might not be able to make the normal-est of phone calls.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Well, how are at least 7 of the hijackers still alive? How did the black boxes get destroyed, but a passport survived? How come osama, a religious extremest, is wearing gold in his video, a strict no-no for him. How come he's writing with the wrong hand? How come the engine dimensions found at the pentagon are roughly 1/3 of those of a 757? How come there was a line on the lawn in line with the "plane" ahead of time already? How come there are no wings, or damage from the wings with the impact at the pentagon? How come if you watch the stills the FBI released regarding the pentagon...you see nothing...then an explosion...no HUGE 757 ANYWHERE in the frames. How come the people on the planes were calling loved ones, and using their full names for some reason, and asking "you beleive me right?"

The answers to virtually all of these questions are fairly readily ascertainable with a modicum of effort.  The fact that the conspiracy theorists present only their view without presenting the obvious counterpoints further undermines their credibility.

The steel melting is a good example - conspiracy theorists continue to raise this point, despite that any structural engineer on the planet can tell you that the steel doesn't have to melt.  The people putting forth that theory not only didn't research the issue, but are actively avoiding information that conflicts with their pre-supposed conclusion.

That makes them utterly unbelievable in all things.

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Well, rambino, just watch the confession video for yourself. You do have eyes, don't you?

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Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

 
Anyone with eyes can see it's not him.

That's a bold statement from somebody who has never met (I presume) Osama...

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Seriosuly.. can someone tell me WHY our government would plan an attack to kill 3000 innocent Americans and other foreigners, then shoot a missle at the Pentagon to cover it up, JUST so we could invade Afghanistan?


Easily. 911 was the best thing that ever happened to the government. They can pass ANY law now, they just have to say the magic words, "It will help stop terrorists".

Read the Patriot Act, most of it has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism, its got all sorts of things about computer crime and other non-terrorist stuff.

Im not saying 911 was a conspiracy, thats just too far fetched. I think theres lots of things about it that dont make much sense and havent been investigated, but that doesnt change the fact that it SAVED King George and his cronies.

The people in power want to stay in power, and they want more control over your lives. They get off on it, read your history, its the same thing everywhere and this has happened before. Keep the population living in fear and you can control their lives, look at the early 50s with the red scare and Mcarthy.

You arent as free as you think, and thats just the way they like it.
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