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Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Originally posted by Baewolf Baewolf wrote:


By the way everything that I wrote happened in less then then 3 minutes, and the other guys were moving together, the guy with the ion that stepped out did it because he only saw the guy behind me, and the second one that ran across watched the first one get shot, and figured that the paint came from the position behind me and came around to try and flank him, and the third guy was standing pretty much behind the bunker that the first one stepped out from when he was shot.
So no they did not come in one at a time, and they were working together, if what you mean by working together is they ran at me at the same time, well no they did not do that, but then again they also did not line up and walk towards me either.
 

Ok, well put this to the Sniper test.

Did You:

1. Eliminate the Targets From beyond the Effective range of return fire?

2. Were the Targets high-value? IE: Enemy Officers, Radiomen, Crew-Served Weapons Crews?

3. Did you take all three shots without being seen by anyone else or postively identified by any other enemies?

4. Did you egress the area without being fired apon, or being spotted?


Man you really take all of this to heart don't you.
"2. Were the Targets high-value? IE: Enemy Officers, Radiomen, Crew-Served Weapons Crews?"
What kind of paintball have you been playing? Quick lets take out the enemy officers
"1. Eliminate the Targets From beyond the Effective range of return fire?"
Like you said all paintball guns fire the same distance, but I did take out all the guys who did not see me

"3. Did you take all three shots without being seen by anyone else or postively identified by any other enemies?"
Actually it was more like 10 shots without being positivly identified.

This argument for you and your little minions is not really about convincing me that I am wrong, it is about you guys convincing everyone else that comes on the forum that I am wrong. So I really don't need to "win this argument". I just need to continue putting out info that new players can see, so that everytime they try to develop a sniper style gun or a sniper style of play that they don't get squashed down by a few finatical speed ball, players on a Tippmann forum that they obvously have no place on. I especially like how you tell people about how their Tippmann made stock in garbage and useless, and how my Tippmann made expansion chamber is crap.
Oh and as for the company Special Ops, they have done more for Tippmann the company then any other company out there. They are responsible for the sale of more Tippmann guns then any other company. So I guess in the end it comes down to a company that makes them millions and millions, and a speed ball player that thinks he knows it all and sits on a Tippmann forum, bad mouthing Tippmann upgrades.

You see I don't have to win, I just need to not be brow beaten by the speedball crew who think they have taken over this forum.



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snake6, pcf, and Baewolf why dont you guys just drop it. Its a differing of opinions. There is no clearcut right or wrong answer, and you three have hijacked this thread and turned it into a sniper debate. So stop arguing like 5 years, and just let this thing be over.
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Originally posted by Baewolf Baewolf wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Originally posted by Baewolf Baewolf wrote:


By the way everything that I wrote happened in less then then 3 minutes, and the other guys were moving together, the guy with the ion that stepped out did it because he only saw the guy behind me, and the second one that ran across watched the first one get shot, and figured that the paint came from the position behind me and came around to try and flank him, and the third guy was standing pretty much behind the bunker that the first one stepped out from when he was shot.
So no they did not come in one at a time, and they were working together, if what you mean by working together is they ran at me at the same time, well no they did not do that, but then again they also did not line up and walk towards me either.
 

Ok, well put this to the Sniper test.

Did You:

1. Eliminate the Targets From beyond the Effective range of return fire?

2. Were the Targets high-value? IE: Enemy Officers, Radiomen, Crew-Served Weapons Crews?

3. Did you take all three shots without being seen by anyone else or postively identified by any other enemies?

4. Did you egress the area without being fired apon, or being spotted?


Man you really take all of this to heart don't you.
"2. Were the Targets high-value? IE: Enemy Officers, Radiomen, Crew-Served Weapons Crews?"
What kind of paintball have you been playing? Quick lets take out the enemy officers

My point exactly. In a real scenerio game(obiviously somthing that you have never played) There are Enemy officers, and High-Value Targets(depends on what charactor your playing). But my point is that A Sniper does not shoot indescriminatly, he shoots at high-value targets. High-value targets are hard to come by in paintball.

"1. Eliminate the Targets From beyond the Effective range of return fire?"
Like you said all paintball guns fire the same distance, but I did take out all the guys who did not see me

BAM! Second Point Failed.

"3. Did you take all three shots without being seen by anyone else or postively identified by any other enemies?"
Actually it was more like 10 shots without being positivly identified.

The average Shot to Kill Ratio of a Sniper is 1.3 Rounds Fired to 1 Kill. Your Shot to kill ratio is 3.3 shots per kill. About triple that of a Sniper.

This argument for you and your little minions is not really about convincing me that I am wrong, it is about you guys convincing everyone else that comes on the forum that I am wrong. So I really don't need to "win this argument". You are right, you lost before it even started. Unless you can change physics, or create a marker that can shoot at least 200 feet accuratly. I just need to continue putting out info that new players can see, so that everytime they try to develop a sniper style gun or a sniper style of play that they don't get squashed down by a few finatical speed ball, players on a Tippmann forum that they obvously have no place on. You go ahead and do that. Watch how fast your topics get locked for trolling. I especially like how you tell people about how their Tippmann made stock in garbage and useless, and how my Tippmann made expansion chamber is crap.

Tippmann 4 Stage Expansion Chambers are about the same price, if not more than a Core 8 Stage. The Core X-Chamber is ten time the Expansion Chamber the Tippmann one is. So now you want me to show blind product loyalty, even if there are products out there that are better? If you think that way, you have no buisness advising people on this forum.

Oh and as for the company Special Ops, they have done more for Tippmann the company then any other company out there. They are responsible for the sale of more Tippmann guns then any other company. I can garuntee you that the other paintball companies combined do alot more for Tippmann than Spec Ops does. Hell, I bet SpecOps accounts for less than 10% of Tippmann Sales. So I guess in the end it comes down to a company that makes them millions and millions, and a speed ball player that thinks he knows it all and sits on a Tippmann forum, bad mouthing Tippmann upgrades.

Since when did I start bad-mouthing Tippmann Upgrades? I have to see this...

You see I don't have to win, I just need to not be brow beaten by the speedball crew who think they have taken over this forum.

Like I sad Earlier, I play more scenerio/woodsball than I do speedball. However I enjoy both.

I don't know what to think. I don't know if you are just to stupid to comprehend what I am saying, if you don't know how to read, or if you are just plain retarded.

You lost this arguement before it started. Your arguements don't hold up, and now you try (and fail to) insult me. You have one of the most pathetic excuses for a Sniper arguement I have ever seen, one that is not even based on fact. Your arguement is based on one Definition, which has been proven to be inaccurate time and time again. At least soem of pro-sniper other people(Mack) had some sort of phyiscal evidence, and paintball expericance to go along with their arguements(Mack has been converted to the other side since then, BTW). I suggest you drop this arguement now, before you insult yourself even more.


Edited by Snake6 - 20 March 2006 at 9:14am
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Originally posted by Baewolf Baewolf wrote:

You see I don't have to win, I just need to not be brow beaten by the speedball crew who think they have taken over this forum.
 

You are quite incorrect on this point.  To the extent that "regulars" get involved in the sniper discussions, it is overwhelmingly woodsballers that take the "no sniper" position.  I am certainly primarily a woodsballer (although I seem to playing a lot of speedball lately *sigh*), and the most ardent proponents of the "no sniper" position are pure scenario players with serious military background, including several with military sniper training.

Your repeated idea that it is just a matter of the ignorant speedballers not understanding woodsball is just false.

 

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Man you really take all of this to heart don't you.
"2. Were the Targets high-value? IE: Enemy Officers, Radiomen, Crew-Served Weapons Crews?"
What kind of paintball have you been playing? Quick lets take out the enemy officers

My point exactly. In a real scenerio game(obiviously somthing that you have never played) There are Enemy officers, and High-Value Targets(depends on what charactor your playing). But my point is that A Sniper does not shoot indescriminatly, he shoots at high-value targets. High-value targets are hard to come by in paintball.

"1. Eliminate the Targets From beyond the Effective range of return fire?"
Like you said all paintball guns fire the same distance, but I did take out all the guys who did not see me

BAM! Second Point Failed.

"3. Did you take all three shots without being seen by anyone else or postively identified by any other enemies?"
Actually it was more like 10 shots without being positivly identified.

The average Shot to Kill Ratio of a Sniper is 1.3 Rounds Fired to 1 Kill. Your Shot to kill ratio is 3.3 shots per kill. About triple that of a Sniper.

This argument for you and your little minions is not really about convincing me that I am wrong, it is about you guys convincing everyone else that comes on the forum that I am wrong. So I really don't need to "win this argument". You are right, you lost before it even started. Unless you can change physics, or create a marker that can shoot at least 200 feet accuratly. I just need to continue putting out info that new players can see, so that everytime they try to develop a sniper style gun or a sniper style of play that they don't get squashed down by a few finatical speed ball, players on a Tippmann forum that they obvously have no place on. You go ahead and do that. Watch how fast your topics get locked for trolling. I especially like how you tell people about how their Tippmann made stock in garbage and useless, and how my Tippmann made expansion chamber is crap.

Tippmann 4 Stage Expansion Chambers are about the same price, if not more than a Core 8 Stage. The Core X-Chamber is ten time the Expansion Chamber the Tippmann one is. So now you want me to show blind product loyalty, even if there are products out there that are better? If you think that way, you have no buisness advising people on this forum.

Oh and as for the company Special Ops, they have done more for Tippmann the company then any other company out there. They are responsible for the sale of more Tippmann guns then any other company. I can garuntee you that the other paintball companies combined do alot more for Tippmann than Spec Ops does. Hell, I bet SpecOps accounts for less than 10% of Tippmann Sales. So I guess in the end it comes down to a company that makes them millions and millions, and a speed ball player that thinks he knows it all and sits on a Tippmann forum, bad mouthing Tippmann upgrades.

Since when did I start bad-mouthing Tippmann Upgrades? I have to see this...

You see I don't have to win, I just need to not be brow beaten by the speedball crew who think they have taken over this forum.

Like I sad Earlier, I play more scenerio/woodsball than I do speedball. However I enjoy both.
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I don't know what to think. I don't know if you are just to stupid to comprehend what I am saying, if you don't know how to read, or if you are just plain retarded.

You lost this arguement before it started. Your arguements don't hold up, and now you try (and fail to) insult me. You have one of the most pathetic excuses for a Sniper arguement I have ever seen, one that is not even based on fact. Your arguement is based on one Definition, which has been proven to be inaccurate time and time again. At least soem of pro-sniper other people(Mack) had some sort of phyiscal evidence, and paintball expericance to go along with their arguements(Mack has been converted to the other side since then, BTW). I suggest you drop this arguement now, before you insult yourself even more.
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BAM! Second Point Failed.
Lol are you a chef in your day job

The average Shot to Kill Ratio of a Sniper is 1.3 Rounds Fired to 1 Kill. Your Shot to kill ratio is 3.3 shots per kill. About triple that of a Sniper.
I can't believe that you actually spent the time calculating that. You do know that this is just paintball don't you and that you are in no way part of a real war

I just need to continue putting out info that new players can see, so that everytime they try to develop a sniper style gun or a sniper style of play that they don't get squashed down by a few finatical speed ball, players on a Tippmann forum that they obvously have no place on. You go ahead and do that. Watch how fast your topics get locked for trolling.
(Mack has been converted to the other side since then, BTW)
I don't know what to think. I don't know if you are just to stupid to comprehend what I am saying, if you don't know how to read, or if you are just plain retarded.

Hail Hitler, come over to the dark side resistance is futile. Who exactly do you think you are anyway, you obvously never  managed to make much of a go for yourself in life. I bet you are probably like a part time speed ball field guardian. Helping people with thier guns and mask and kicking people out when they break the rules. And I bet you that paintball has become your whole life hasn't it, don't tell me you play on a team and when you do you are usually in charge and make most of the major decisions. You are probably the most absolute finatic I have ever met on a forum, listen to me and believe or you are stupid and retarded. If you try to post info that contradicts with my superior opinion and superior knowledge your post will be locked. My power is so great that if you try to argue with me, you will have already lost before you even type in the comments. LOLOLOLOL You really are one of a kind, I got to give you that, and man you are excitable. But calling someone retarded because they don't listen to your delusions of granger.

My advise would be to the people around you to realize that after all it is just a game and to get a life and not get drug down with you.

I know I said that I would end this argument, so I am sorry for even posting this reply, but I just could not resist this one, lol. The reight is right.

I tell you what if it makes you feel better, you and the minions have won this argument, man you just have all the angles covered, you can go back to kicking small kids off the field when they show up with guns with stocks on them, or scopes.

But just remember, winning an argument on the internet is like winning the special olympics, even if you win you are still retarded
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Originally posted by Baewolf Baewolf wrote:



BAM! Second Point Failed.
Lol are you a chef in your day job

Ha! No, I have Multiple Jobs. My current job is Yearbook Technical Advisor.

The average Shot to Kill Ratio of a Sniper is 1.3 Rounds Fired to 1 Kill. Your Shot to kill ratio is 3.3 shots per kill. About triple that of a Sniper.
I can't believe that you actually spent the time calculating that. You do know that this is just paintball don't you and that you are in no way part of a real war

If you couldn't calculate that in your head, you need to go back to Middle School.

The sad thing is that your "points" for your pro-sniper arguement play right into my hand, and you cannot see it. You are absolutly right, we are not in a real war. We do not have the ability to fire an accurate shot from any range greater than 75ft. Yet you still cannot see how it is impossible to live up to the sniper motto of "One-Shot, One-Kill".

Hail Hitler, come over to the dark side resistance is futile. Who exactly do you think you are anyway, you obvously never  managed to make much of a go for yourself in life. I bet you are probably like a part time speed ball field guardian. Helping people with thier guns and mask and kicking people out when they break the rules. I have been known to ref from time to time, both in Speedball, and Woddsball games. Sometimes a scenerio(but I prefer to play in those games) I fail to see how your statement is insulting.  And I bet you that paintball has become your whole life hasn't it, don't tell me you play on a team and when you do you are usually in charge and make most of the major decisions. I have never played speedball on a real team. I bounce around from team to team playing with whoever is around at scenerio games. You are probably the most absolute finatic I have ever met on a forum, listen to me and believe or you are stupid and retarded. If you try to post info that contradicts with my superior opinion and superior knowledge your post will be locked. My power is so great that if you try to argue with me, you will have already lost before you even type in the comments. LOLOLOLOL You really are one of a kind, I got to give you that, and man you are excitable. But calling someone retarded because they don't listen to your delusions of granger.

Now, yet again you have to try to insult me because your arguements are in no way based in fact. Your E-Penis is getting so small you have to flame on people now, huh?



I suggest you take a little haitus from this forum, and come back when you have some sort of fact to back up your sniper theory. Do some reasearch, get some facts, get some experiance. Then come back.

EDIT: Also learn to Quote.


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ok... in that scenario... i see you setting up an ambush and being a defensive player more than a sniper but that's just me.  like i said before any woodsballer with half a brain will try to remain hidden. 

i apologize to what i helped do to this thread, but i believe that my questions/answers have been fairly short and to the point.

basically... we seem to be calling the same tactics different things....  i'm done for now... and now... here's a picture of my other gun...  playing w/ this at a big game is fun.  holding off a flank of 6 people w/ 25 rounds is even more fun.


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is anyone actually even reading those huge like BOOKS, that u guys call replys. i like that pump, not top into them but that one is pretty cool.
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My 1337 sn1pp3r g47

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i made a thompson handguard for the stock barrel. i didnt want to do it with any other barrel because i might mess it up. i wouldnt care if i messed up the stock barrel. it ended up pretty good with the rest of the gun. i'll try to get pics up of it. (i'm 15 so dont laugh if you guys think its funny but i think its pretty good.)
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Hey, whoever has this gun, I was just wondering if you got the mag from a Airsoft gun and it also looks like the grip on the barrel is from one too.  I am not making fun of you, i was gonna do the same thing to mine, cuz I have that airsoft gun too, somewhere...  Here is mine...
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