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    Posted: 03 March 2006 at 1:02am
Yea, latley I've been talking to some Army Recruiters and I've basically signed on, all I have to do is get my physical, and make sure my background doesn't have anything shady on it.

Anyways... I'll probably joining the Reserve, and I was just wondering, what some of you you guys liked and some things you didn't like about it.


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Hated cleaning the head... Scrubbing the toilet sucks.  But I sure got some good schooling out of the 6-years I was in.
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^ Yea thats alot of the reason why I'm joining, I wont be doing anything for the next 4 years, and I'm kinda broke to pay for schooling myself(want to get my BS in Criminal Justice), I want to become a Cop and by doing this It would probably be really good to have Military Training on my resumť, and I think it would be pretty cool to be an MP as well 

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would be pretty cool to be an MP as well†
After my first year of college... I was inches from recruiting... was interested in being an MP... but the recruiter told me I was too short.
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being to short? thats BS, he was imposing personal opinions, unless your legaly a midget.

31B, same MOS me and my brother choose. what kind of signing bonus are you looking at? ASVAB scores (just the line score)?

you might wanna look into the national guard, right now in arizona reserves are giving out 7k signing bonuses, national guard is giving out 20k, thats i think is worth looking at.

you'll probley be at Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. keep me posted if you go threw with it, my ship day in june 20th.

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Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

being to short? thats BS, he was imposing personal opinions, unless your legaly a midget
Could be he was BS'ing, but as a recruiter who is trying to make a quota... what purpose would that serve?

Made sense to me at the time. I suppose you'd want someone to meet certain physical criteria if they are to be charged with handling disorderly soldiers/etc.
Whatever. Enlisted life wasn't for me, anyway.
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Liked:
-Shooting on the government's dime
-Blowing things up
-Doing the job in the real world, rather than watching it on TV
-Most of the people I met
-Extra pay from drills
-Being the baddest platoon in the battalion (Scout Platoon!)
-Learning weapon handling from the best in the business. Hunter's safety courses have nothing on what the military will teach you about firearm safety!
-Got to do my time in between trips to the sandbox. Timing really is everything
-How the Army was prior to 1996. There were a lot of good times in those earlier years.

Disliked:
-Some of the jerks I met, most of whom I found were paper-pushers
-Conforming to the military method. At first this wasn't bad, but near the end of my 6 years, it was awfully tough
-Having to be gone from home for two or more weeks each summer. Again, not bad at first, really sucked once I had a family of my own
-Being stuck following orders of people I didn't and couldn't respect. Some of the officers in the military are really useless lumps of flesh. See: Animal House, Niedermeyer
-The Army's whims. They were really baffling sometimes
-Never getting to do what I was trained for "for real". In spite of how great it is that I didn't have to go to Iraq, I've seen buddies that have, and some who were there both in 1990 and with today's situation. I feel a twinge of guilt that I'm not there with them... these are the guys I trained with.
-What the Army became around 1996. The Guard became an awful lot like the Reserves around 96

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I started out my military service in the Army Reserve, figuring that it'd be easy to go active from there if I really enjoyed it. When I found a Guard unit that was much closer, I asked to transfer to them, because my car wasn't up to the drive every month. The paper-pushers stalled for 5 months, finally transferring me after an Annual Training session. They tried one last stab, though, claiming I'd been issued two complete sets of field gear that would have to be turned in. I'd been issued ONE set. Moving on, I found the Guard appealing because the platoon was MUCH more closely-knit than my Reserve unit was. The Guard was like a sociable club with guns and camoflauge, whereas the Reserve was like the Army but only on the weekend. That's not to say that the Guard couldn't get the job done - we consistantly scored higher in our skills tests than some active-duty guys, and much higher than other Guard and Reserve units. Other things that appealed to me about the Guard is that the government can only activate Guard units at the battalion level. If you're going to war, you're going with the guys you've trained with. In the Reserves, you can show up to a drill, and they can call off three names and tell you that you've been activated, pack your stuff, have fun in Afghanistan. Another thing that was great about the Guard was the local-real-world mission. Disaster relief and such. We had a train derail near here once, carrying something that was toxic and nasty. Town had to be evacuated. The unit asked for volunteers to drive our APC's into the town, ferrying people in to retrieve their pets, their checkbooks, whatever they didn't grab on the way out a few days earlier. We were asked because we were in the area, and had the vehicles... ones that could withstand an explosion or chemical event. Our entire platoon volunteered, and 6 of them got to go help. That's a feel-good hero-type mission.

However, in the end of THAT, the paper-pushers caught up with me again. When you enlist in the Reserve or Guard, you have a 6/2 contract. 6 years of doing drills, 2 years in the Inactive Ready Reserve. When I transfered from the Reserve to the Guard, I specifically made sure my contract stated that the 6/2 was to remain in place, and time served in the Reserve counted toward the 6. At my last required drill, I went to the personnel sergeant to re-up. I'd been going back and forth on the decision, but finally decided that I had a real shot finally of making sergeant myself, and I really could have used the $3000 bonus. Anyway, the guy told me I still had 2 years left on my contract. They weren't going to honor the specific clause I'd had put into the paperwork. If memory serves, I told him to perform an anatomically-impossible self-fulfilling carnal feat, and walked out of his office. Went back to my platoon, talked to the rest of my guys, including my platoon sergeant and our LT. They all told me I was right in telling the guy to fudge himself, and that they would have done the same. So, I "retired" from the military after 6 years.

Also, to explain the above "1996" issue: When I got into the Guard, it was a lot of fun. The platoon partied together anywhere we were. We'd slip out to the training base in packs of 3 vehicles, following non-convoy routes, and show up two hours before the convoy with the rest of the company. Nobody messed with the Scouts, because it was known that people who tried to do that wound up duct-taped to trees, and their grid coordinates would be left on their pillows for their platoon sergeant to find in the morning. Around 96, the battalion really cracked down on our wildness. We were ordered to convoy at 45mph with the company. No beer on the training base. The company party was the only social event that was to be acceptable, and that event sucked bad. Basically, it became just like the Reserves had been. Attitudes suffered, and our test results dropped. It's not that we weren't training as much or as hard, but we weren't having nearly as much fun doing it all. The leadership never really recognized that they'd effectively killed our team spirit, and it showed in our performances.

Sorry for the long ramble, but this is one of those life choices that you don't always get to see the full picture on until you've signed your papers. It's a great choice, if you can do it. Not everyone is cut out to be a soldier. We only graduated 2 out of every 3 guys who started with us at Knox.

EDIT - One more VERY important bit of info: Keep every piece of paper you get from the government. Payslips (LES), supply forms, everything. You never know when you'll need to back up your story with proof. I knew a guy who had 20 years in, went to retire, and was told he'd only been in for 18. His payslips showed he'd been in for 20, but the Army hadn't kept all their copies. He had, and was able to retire. Had he not had those, he'd have had to put in another two years. ALSO, get everything in writing. Remember, your recruiter is a salesman, and doesn't really have YOUR best interest in mind. If they need combat engineers, they'll try to work you toward that sometimes. Tell you how great this MOS or that MOS is. Choose the job you'd want to do if you had to do it for real. And get it in writing.

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Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

being to short? thats BS, he was imposing personal opinions, unless your legaly a midget.

31B, same MOS me and my brother choose. what kind of signing bonus are you looking at? ASVAB scores (just the line score)?

you might wanna look into the national guard, right now in arizona reserves are giving out 7k signing bonuses, national guard is giving out 20k, thats i think is worth looking at.

you'll probley be at Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. keep me posted if you go threw with it, my ship day in june 20th.



I'll be looking at an E4 probably, which is going from somthing like $1127-E1 to $1846-E4 because my ASVAB score was pretty high-73, and I got a 4 on the Job oppratunity soon. The recruiter tolled me, that my Job is in a Demand, but it's not a crazy demand like Infantry, he tryed to sell me Infantry and all these bonuses I'd get by going with them blah... blah... blah..., or the airborne, but I tolled him I like my feet on the ground more then a rope or a parachute and he just kind of laughed. The only thing that is going suck for a little while is I'm ganna miss my little lady
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73?

Are you sure you got your numbers right? Is that your GT score? If so thats not really high.
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If your score is 73 thats not Hi at all you should have at least 100 + ,

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Had an ASVAB score of 194 but that was with the Navy, and was guaranteed an OS (operation specialists) job but lost my "A" school due to an incident in bootcamp.  With that score, what rating/position were you offered ? 

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I'm only in ROTC right now but I have figured a lot out already, plus i have learned a lot from my active duty instructors. Keep every piece of paper the Army gives you. Once you're in don't volunteer for anything unless you know every possible bit of information about what you are volunteering for. Recruiters are salesmen despite they will do everything in their power to convince you other wise. They are not your friend and can care less about you. Push hard to get what you want. My friend in the Navy walked into the recruiters office and said he wanted to be a Sea Bee, the recruiter said he didn't know if he could make that happen. So my friend said, "fine, then I'll go across the hall and join the Army." The recruiter changed his mind very quickly and now my friend is a Sea Bee. Learn to like running and marching because you will do a lot of it. Think about if joining is the right thing for you, and I mean think about it for a really hard for a long time. I know to many people who rushed into making a decision.
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Yea, I've thought about it since I was around 17, but... There is a slight problem latley... My Eye Sight isn't the best, also I have had a Surgery that may Disqualify me... I'm just giving it a Shot, no harm if I can't join and it would be really awsome if I could. 

Edit: Yea I basically Tolled them if I can't be an MP I don't really have any intrest in the Military at all


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There is other cool stuff in the military other than just mp. I wouldn't worry too much about your eyesight unless it's just down right terrible or unless you want to be a pilot.
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I enlisted in the Marine Corps.

Waiting to go to boot camp on june 5th.

Honestly, if your enlisting for the singing bonus, I dont want you in my branch. Thank god the Corps doesnt give signing bonus's very often. If your joining for the money, your an idiot. You should be joining because you want to be a soldier, not becuase you need cash. I dont want to be fighting next to someone whose only here for the money.

But I definatly cannot wait to go to boot. DEP is a lot of fun. Boot is going to be sweet.

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Originally posted by holysmartone holysmartone wrote:

I enlisted in the Marine Corps.

Waiting to go to boot camp on june 5th.

Honestly, if your enlisting for the singing bonus, I dont want you in my branch. Thank god the Corps doesnt give signing bonus's very often. If your joining for the money, your an idiot. You should be joining because you want to be a soldier, not becuase you need cash. I dont want to be fighting next to someone whose only here for the money.

But I definatly cannot wait to go to boot. DEP is a lot of fun. Boot is going to be sweet.



Heh... If the Military didn't offer those Bonuses, I wouldn't think alot of those people would be in there, Hell alot of those people when going didn't want to be one, but boot camp teaches you all those things, also some people going in don't even like the Military but eventually it turns into somthing you really enjoy.
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Originally posted by holysmartone holysmartone wrote:

I enlisted in the Marine Corps.

Waiting to go to boot camp on june 5th.

Honestly, if your enlisting for the singing bonus, I dont want you in my branch. Thank god the Corps doesnt give signing bonus's very often. If your joining for the money, your an idiot. You should be joining because you want to be a soldier, not becuase you need cash. I dont want to be fighting next to someone whose only here for the money.

But I definatly cannot wait to go to boot. DEP is a lot of fun. Boot is going to be sweet.



I'm impressed by the fact that you joined the Marine Corps, but you should shut up. Just because someone receives an enlistment bonus doesn't mean that they are going to be a bad soldier.

The Army doesn't give bonuses to everyone, only to those who are exceptional, or who are willing to take an assigment that is difficult or high risk.

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Originally posted by holysmartone holysmartone wrote:

I enlisted in the Marine Corps.


Waiting to go to boot camp on june 5th.


Honestly, if your enlisting for the singing bonus, I dont want you in my branch. Thank god the Corps doesnt give signing bonus's very often. If your joining for the money, your an idiot. You should be joining because you want to be a soldier, not becuase you need cash. I dont want to be fighting next to someone whose only here for the money.


But I definatly cannot wait to go to boot. DEP is a lot of fun. Boot is going to be sweet.

I'm impressed by the fact that you joined the Marine Corps, but you should shut up. Just because someone receives an enlistment bonus doesn't mean that they are going to be a bad soldier. The Army doesn't give bonuses to everyone, only to those who are exceptional, or who are willing to take an assigment that is difficult or high risk. RLTW

Not exactly, especially in today's Army. As a teacher, I am shocked by what they are giving "my kids" and what "kind" of kids we are talking about. When I joined the Marine Corps in 1993 I got (bad word)ed! I was a legacy so there was no haggling or games. When I went to MOS school I quickly realized that Marines in the same MOS received bonuses and more money for college (Marine Corps college fund in addition to MGIB) than I did. I scored really well on the ASVAB and before the end of my first year I was offered a "chance" to go to the Naval Academy, if I agreed to extend my contract to about 10 years. I have no regrets or student loans, so it all worked out in the end!

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