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Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:

It hasn't been proven safe though. It is not regulated by the FDA. No studies have been conducted to demonstrate the effects of prolonged use.


It has been tested.  For years.

It's a natural nutrient in your body that your simply adding more of.
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Your body won't stop making over time because of taking the supplements will it?
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you mean I can get artificial chemicals to put in my body to make my balls shrink and stop working!?!? Where has this information been all my life!?


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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Your body won't stop making over time because of taking the supplements will it?


It's not been proven yet.

People have been taking it for years, and nothing is wrong.  Granted, nobody has seen the results after 30 years either.  Take that with a grain of salt though, nobody knows the effects of mountain dew limewire after thirty years either.
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you mean I can get artificial chemicals to put in my body to make my balls shrink and stop working!?!? Where has this information been all my life!?


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Yes, because people are taking these "chemicals" (which is nothing of what proHORMONES actually are) simply for the testicular atrophy


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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

16 5' 11"-6' i weigh between 152-160
Protein Shakes and Bars, 2 shakes and a bar a day (I had body fortress which is a cheap protein brand, and doesn't taste the best, but did the job. It had 20grams per scoop and I had to in every shake. One tub would last a month, and it was right around $20. The bars were expensive, but a necessity. I can't remember what brand, but each one had 26 grams of protein, that cost about $20 for a box of 12)

Make sure it's something like soy or whey protein, though, and not hydrolized protein. Hydrolized protein is just hooves and tendons left over from meatpacking plants. It's low quality.
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Bottom line, creatine is mental, and appearance only. Actual strength gains are not what you would expect with the mass gains, as compared to other supplements.

What does Gatyr suggest?

Whey protein ftw. Lots of it if you would like to see massive gains, but dont expect it to be like a prohormone, or for it to be like creatine and work within a week to 10 days.

Above all, its the best way to go in my opinion. No risks of misuse, you can get it in a variety of flavors, and your body doesnt become dependent on it.

I have been using it for a month now, and with that, comes no noticeable gains, because its not enough time. Also, swimming isnt exactly the best sport to be to bulky for. I just use it as a before and after workout drink toget the amino acids flowing.



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Whey protein ftw.

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Why not just...work out and stuff. When did this all become so important that we have to start taking this crap.

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Honestly I'm pretty scrawnny, I always have been. I'm about 6'1" and 145lbs . . . no muscle and a little belly fat which heads away when I run.

I don't see the big deal with being bulky.
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Strength, tone, definition and whatnot.
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Well i'm defined in the summer when I bike and run and such. But I don't take any crap to make it speed up, i'm fine with who I am.

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It's for football, the stronger/faster you are, the more effective you can be on the field.  Therefore I want to get stronger and faster.
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I suppose . . . I don't know, it just seems unatural to me.
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I like working out but it's not important enough to me to use supplements.
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You people and your muscles.

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Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Why not just...work out and stuff. When did this all become so important that we have to start taking this crap.

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because getting stronger, faster is better than getting stronger slower or not strong at all.

Originally posted by A-5 08 A-5 08 wrote:

I suppose . . . I don't know, it just seems unatural to me.


Its not un natural if the ingredients and what not occur naturally, or you get them in the food you eat, you are just getting more of them in a more concentrated form.



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The worst side effect that tests/studies have found were kindey stones from very prolonged use. Cycle it. 4-6 weeks on, 4-6 weeks off.

Creatine helps your body retine more water in your muscles. They cannot get enough water. Now, since all this extra water is stored in your muscles, it allows them to work to their full potenial. You STILL have to lift. Lift as much as you can.

I used to take creatine. I stopped cause I needed to dropped some quick weight.
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You will be fine. Come on if scientists and the goverment says it ok it has to be alright......

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Originally posted by cdacda13 cdacda13 wrote:

The worst side effect that tests/studies have found were kindey stones from very prolonged use. Cycle it. 4-6 weeks on, 4-6 weeks off.

Creatine helps your body retine more water in your muscles. They cannot get enough water. Now, since all this extra water is stored in your muscles, it allows them to work to their full potenial. You STILL have to lift. Lift as much as you can.

I used to take creatine. I stopped cause I needed to dropped some quick weight.


I've never even seen that documented...

And Whale, I was only answering because unlike most things, this is something I've actually researched and used.  At the time there wasn't anyone else continually posting that had actually taken it.

And Gatyr, you don't see results in creatine within a week.  It takes around three, simply because you body has to store up a good amount of ATP before it actually has enough to start over producing what you normally have.
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