any SP-8 Sightings?

The day it does is the day they save the credibility of paintball and turn it into a skill based on sport rather than on technology and one's ability to spend money on ammunition. They might as well send everyone out there with a pressure washer hose the way it's played now. Hell, if I had my way speedball would be limited to 7 or 8 BPS, but I know that's just hoping for something I'll never see. There's no need for people to shoot so bloody fast though, and it keeps the sport prohibitively expensive for new players who want to be on a vague technological par with the teenagers who spend daddy's money on their markers.

Other radical ideas include limiting players to 'x' number of paintballs per game, or limiting markers to mechanical only. I have incredible respect for those pump players who go to speedball fields and dominate the semiauto teams using skill and precision. The 'sport' such as it is, revolves these days around technology, attitude, and one's ability to cheat without getting caught. That's not much of a sport in my eyes.

Because for some Mil-Sim players, the look is definitely worth it. Look at all those kids who buy thsoe godaful M4 barrel kits fo their 98 Customs, when the money would be much better spent on a J&J Ceramic and a case of paint to practice with?

I'm a Mil-Simmer, but I purchase for function. I have a flatline because I like the extra range, and a car-stock because I've got enough experience with real firearms that shooting without a stock feels bloody weird and uncomfortable.

I picked up a SIM-5 as well, but Ariakons are very highly regarded for reliability and accuracy. Great barrel, it comes with a stock already, obviously, and it just happens to look killer.

The SP8 wouldn't be my personal choice, but some people like the electronics, so if that suits them, fine. There's a stock upgrade coming out, plus a new barrel that will actually function as a suppressor. Besides, considering how much money you can drop intoa  marker that's barely more functional than an ion (over a thousand bucks, for isntance), if you can afford it, why not drop the extra hundred for looks if that's your style? Most speedballers would spend that much in paint pretty quickly anyway, so I don't see there being a big deal.

Personally if I were going for an XM-8 lookalike I'd go with the MkX8 or whatever it's called that JCS released. Better XM8 looks, plus thes tock is included and it's all mechanical...

I think Smart Parts is on to something, personall;y. Notice that WGP quietly released their tactical autococker (not that trilogy piece of junk, I mean the $700 one) with the weaver rails and such. The companies are starting to wake up and realzie there's a growing market in MilSim, and they're trying to tap our dollars. They've takena  smart approach- tkaing a proven system (the Ion) that already has a great reputation, and then adapting it for MilSim. Once they rpove to themselves that they can break into the market, maybe they'll make something emcahnical, with a single trigger.

Alternatively, what they may do use the ion internals (though again hopefully with a single trigger) and release a number of different shells or bodies so people can pick and choose their look- I could see a G36 being easily done the same way as the SP8, for instance, plus any number of other rifles.

There's a lot of potential, and SP is starting to explore it.

brihard wrote: *sigh* and again I continue my crusade against people who cry about the weight of *any* paintball marker. SUCK IT UP. Go to the Gym or something, for crying out loud. It's pathetic that people can't stand the thought of carrying a five pound object around all day. Bloody hell. If the MilSim marker's that damned heavy put a sling on it, or something, but don't whine that it's 'too heavy' because it weighs more than your TV remote. The Ion is a perfectly functional marker for anyone who doens't feel a pathological need to compensate for their penis, and probably their inability to shoot accurately by emptying their bank account into a grotesquely overpriced piece of circuitry and milling. The Ion is on par with a lot of markers three times its cost in terms of appreciable performance, and if you actually think there's a practical difference between 15 BPS and 25, you need to put down your paintball marker and get a real life outside of speedball. I hope the entire sport gets capped at 15 bps so all the Ion owners can laugh at you condescending prima donnas with your $1700 wonderguns.

i agree completely... i've seen people whine about the A-5 and how it's so heavy... honestly, an 8 year old could run around with this and have an easy time.  Start complaining when your marker starts weighing 20 lb, which i would agree to be a reasonable "pissy" point. 

I was at the UK launch of the SP8, And i have to say that it performed well. It was fast and accurate and not at the expense of weight as it is not much heavier than an A5.

brihard wrote: I just discovered some photos of the SP8 with the enw accessories mounted- it looks MUCH better now. Check these out: http://www.usmilitarygear.com/sp8tactical.php

ahh.. nope still looks wacky... a-5 wit mods are way bettre like the a-5 stealth.

brit1919 wrote: I think its ridiculous that people whine about carrying 5-6 pund guns. Ever held the real thing?...Imagine carrying a real rifle all day all the time. Seriously, an m-60 is closing in on the 15-20 lb mark, and a fully outfitted M16a2 starts at about 7 lb anyway.   Sorry im ranting now

It's been a while, but if I remember correctly the M60 was approximately 23 lbs.  The M60 replacement (M240?) is even heavier.

Where's Old Soldier when we need his expertise?

Justice wrote: brihard wrote: *sigh* and again I continue my crusade against people who cry about the weight of *any* paintball marker. SUCK IT UP. Go to the Gym or something, for crying out loud. It's pathetic that people can't stand the thought of carrying a five pound object around all day. Bloody hell. If the MilSim marker's that damned heavy put a sling on it, or something, but don't whine that it's 'too heavy' because it weighs more than your TV remote. O God, I am going to call you Hurculese from now on. When I run your flank and shoot you in the butt beause your too lazy with your over-weight impracticale MIL-SIM dont be crying as you walk off the field. ps. Your assumption of me is way off. I am 36 years old, 6'-0" tall and around 200lbs. I dont consider myself weak and I have been to the GYM in my past but now with 2 kids (both in diapers), working full time, wiife works full time and has school two nights a week I hardly have the time to breathe lately so I dont goto the GYM anymore.

^ ok Herculese We all know how the Canadian army is so kick butt and all. 

It's all personal preference like I stated in my original reply. But you the all mighty Hercules seems to care less about personal prefernce, it's your way or your a "wimp" right?

Keep up with the flaming, it's rather amusing.

O yeah I clicked the link in your sig and it looks like you got hacked. I guess you've spread your ideologies a lil too far AYE?!








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brihard wrote: I also made note of the fact that you feel only 'Hercules' (congrats on realziing your spelling was all FUBAR to being with, BTW) coudl lift a five pound marker.

Dont be slammin me for my spelling when your replies are laced with spelling and grammatical errors as well. Hense the old saying "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

brihard wrote: For that matter, if you've got such a time consuming and important family life why do you come on here flaming peopel and generally making an ass of yourself when you could be spending time with your kids? Pathetic.

Some of us actually have this thing called a Job. I am not you, I work for a living.

brihard wrote: I'll point out that YOU started the name calling and flaming, so don't get high and might. I also never referred to you as a wimp; I beleive the term I used was '**edited**', but in the plural sense.

*No he started it. No he did! Who's the child here?

And for your previous comments about counterstrike...

I never said I played counterstrike in this post so whatever medication you forgot to take this morning I think you need to remember to take it tommorow.