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Cedric
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:07pm |
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No, but you're accusing anyone who supports same sex marriage that they also support NAMBLA simpley because it deals with same sex issues. Now, if you see how I can turn that on anyone who supports a marriage between a man and a woman, I'm sure you can see how stupid that logic is. |
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Jim Paint
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:07pm |
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It doesn't make sense. **edited** marriage isn't illegal because of NAMBLA |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:09pm |
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Jim Paint
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:09pm |
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Alright, I see what you mean now. I was saying that a member of NAMBLA could use the same arguments being used here for **edited** marriage. Edited by Jim Paint |
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Cedric
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:10pm |
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We're not trying to prove nambla legal...
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Jim Paint
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:19pm |
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So, this is one bad example. You can't say that everyone has this experience if they wait, or even that waiting and then losing it to the person she won't stay with is wrong. She hasn't been risking STD's or pregnancy. How is that a bad thing?
EDIT- Oh yeah, I forgot your abortion makes my lifestyle easier thing. Well she hasn't risked STD's at least. Edited by Jim Paint |
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Jim Paint
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:21pm |
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I know. I was trying to show how that arguments FOR **edited** marriage could be used FOR legalizing nambla. |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:27pm |
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No, not really.
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:28pm |
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I have had almost enough of this bloody forum LOL.
Dudes a half witted comment made to point out the fact that homosexuality is UNATURAL and my proof was that if left alone homosexuality obviously cant survive their for its is NOT NATURAL. That is how i come to my conclushion that Homosexuality is a mental illness or a Choich. All of us are born with natural instincs and attractions correct? Our insticts are to survive primarily just as a animals insticts do for them. We strive not only to survive as a person but also as a race of human behings. So if a person IS born without thes natural insticts are they not Missing a fundamental part of life mentally???? AKA a mental illness. This is my last post in this tread so feel free to continue bashing me and my opinions and rashenalize it any way ya like i dont give a rats hide quaters. I have stated my opinions and facts and have gron tired now of restateing em in new words. Lets just say im Agreeing to Disagree. And also thax to the few that actually understood my argument even if you did not agree with em at least ya answer in a mature fashion without the BS smart aleck responses. Edited by BearClaw |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:33pm |
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There is one central difference between homosexuality and pedophilia: consent. Most countries in the world have some age limit under which a child is deemed not capable of consent for sexual purposes. It's not a magic number that suddenly makes you understand, but if are going to have a limit, then we have to pick a number. In this country that numbers varies from 12 to 18, depending on the state. That age of consent applies whether there is a two week age difference or a 90 years age difference (Romeo and Juliet laws aside). NAMBLA is not troublesome at all (ickiness aside) so long as the boys in question are above the age of consent. If the boy is below the age of consent, then it is a different matter entirely. **edited** marriage is all about people who are well above the age of consent. The comparison to NAMBLA is only interesting to Rick Santorum. You cannot compare a fully consented relationship to a non-consensual relationship. That's like saying that rape should be legal because marriage is legal. |
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Cedric
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:33pm |
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How do you know that being homosexual isn't natural? Maybe everyone is born homosexual, but chooses to be straight.
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Jim Paint
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:37pm |
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That is a stupid joke, isn't it? |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:39pm |
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—Wrong, Jim Paint. First, it's touching on slippery slope to even suggest that legalizing **edited** marriage would necessarily lead to the legalization of any other socially shunned activity, including a relationship between an adult male and a minor male. Of course, you seem to be making an analogy between NAMBLA and same-sex marriage in an effort to prove . . . something, not really sure what though. For one, if you do succeed in logically proving that NAMBLA's practices are just as legitimate as same-sex marriages, then you've only heightened the legitimacy of NAMBLA because so far you've been unable to offer us any logical or moral problems with same sex marriage. What you are trying to do is very clear, actually: with your analogy, you are trying not to establish any actual facts, but rather to play on the biases of your opponents. —Good try. However, your argument is flawed and fallacious; the entire analogy is questionable at best. Same-sex marriage would occur between two consenting adults while NAMBLA's actions would occur between one adult and a minor, who cannot consent. Let's avoid euphemisms; NAMBLA promotes what the law now considers to be rape. And of course, there is the second point: a homosexual couple strolling down the streets, perhaps kissing a bit, could do so directly in front of an officer of the law, whereas an adult and a child performing such a public stunt would cause the police officer to immediately some sort of action. . . . Now, Jim Paint, if you're against **edited** marriage, that's absolutely fine. But let's argue with real logic. If you would like to address my point, then quote me, read carefully, and stay on task. This thread is ten pages long, and it seems that most of the posters have a greater intention to flex their eMuscles and boost their egos than to actually debate the topic and learn a little bit about the argument's objective facts. EDIT: Clark's always a step ahead of me. I spend too much time typing. ![]() Edited by Ejp414 |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:39pm |
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Ah, yes - the unnatural argument. Ok, let's say it is unnatural, or a choice. So what? What possible relevance does that have? Natural things: Cancer "Unnatural" things: Computers (like the one you are using now) Since when is unnatural bad? Since when is choice bad? This must be the worst argument ever. And, of course, homosexuality is perfectly natural. There are plenty of homosexual animals around. I guess they were made that way by MTV, or maybe they chose to be **edited**.
Yes doctor. Actually, no - check in with an actual medical doctor or psychologist on that fine theory. This is what happens when clergy pretends to be scientists. But again - SO WHAT? Retards are allowed to marry, and so are homocidal sociopaths. I think we can all agree that they are quite mentally ill. If Kyle Menendez and Charles Manson can marry, why can't Richard Simmons? Edited by Clark Kent |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:42pm |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:44pm |
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I thought it was rather clever myself... If homosexuality is a "choice", then by logical extension so is heterosexuality. |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:50pm |
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—Haha, nice one. Of course, if the same-sex marriage opponent were any good, he'd simply say that those called "homosexual" remain biologically heterosexual but choose to live a homosexual lifestyle anyway for whatever reason (or reasons). Technically, one would choose not to live that lifestyle, but then you'd get into semantics, and . . . you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Edited by Ejp414 |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:50pm |
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I'm not sure how evolution brought male/female into play, but wouldn't those organisms have died off then?
NVM, I see. Monkeys fondle each others goodies and then only make babies to survive. Edited by Jim Paint |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:53pm |
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Sure - there is a legitimate distinction to be made between the desire and the action. |
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Posted: 24 November 2005 at 10:55pm |
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Not every living thing is either homosexual or straight. There could be a mix of them..
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