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    Posted: 08 November 2005 at 8:13pm
Well as we watch the results of French Domestic Policies we are reminded of some issues.

1. Unrestricted immigration leads to social problems as government programs are overwhelmed by numbers requiring assistance

2. Poor socialist driven economic decesions and employer consetions to trade unions lead to a downfall of economy and job rate. French economy is tanked, and worst in Western Europe.

3. Any attempts of maintaining your home countries National Identity under the weight of overwhelming numbers of immigrants lead to sure domestic problems as the rights and culture of the newcomers are taken above the National Identity of those who invited the immigrants in. And any attempt by the home country to maintain thier National Identity is seen as racist and or totalitarian in the eyes of the media.

There are reports of this "protest" being "organized" beyond random violence, there is a real presense of various Arab/Islamic Extemist Movements in France, again the result of a appeasement towards those who will eventually do you harm.

Remmember how this shakes out, as you drive through our inner cities, or Texas, Arizona, California, just think about it.

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It is kind of organized, there are people calling each other and setting up meeting times to go out and vandalize/destroy stuff, and they busted a factory where people were making firebombs.
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Originally posted by bluemunky bluemunky wrote:

and they busted a factory where people were making firebombs.

did they firebomb the factory?
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You're racist because you're implying that we shut the border.



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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:


Remmember how this shakes out, as you drive through our inner cities, or Texas, Arizona, California, just think about it.


Whereas the delegates of North Carolina deal with these problems on a daily basis, and,

Whereas the state of North Carolina has the highest non-borderstate immigration rate, and,

Therefore the State of North Carolina wishes to be recognized as a state under these conditions.



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Some people just like to go out and destroy things and will make up excuses to do so. Blaming immigration for this I feel, is like blaming the poor people in New Orleans for the damage caused by the flooding.

I happen to live in California and dont see immigration as a big problem.

Several of my coworkers at all the jobs I have and still work at and alot of my fellow college student peers are immigrants. They seem to be helping the economy alot more than the citezens that are doing nothing.

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Originally posted by Sargent Duck Sargent Duck wrote:

Originally posted by bluemunky bluemunky wrote:

and they busted a factory where people were making firebombs.

did they firebomb the factory?

You misunderstand, the rioters were using an unused building to make firebombs, and the police found it.
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ah, so I did read it wrong. My bad.
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Obviously Hades you do not live in the lower San Diego/ Los Angeles area...if you do not see a problem there.....well.

The majority of the French rioters are immigrants, and there are several rumors on the instigation of this...from the head scarf school issue, to police and immigrant interaction.

France's immigration policies have swamped thier social services, and have/will create further problems. How much taxation are the Native French willing to consider for Domestic peace, right now it is 72% for all taxes, on those who still have jobs..............
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Actually, I do happen live and share my time between Los Angeles and San Diego.

At one of my current civil service jobs, there are well over 20 immigrants out of entire building staff of around 100.

I dont see the problem at my San Deigo Condo that I share with my father to be able to go to any street corner and hire, Jose for 20 bucks and lunch, to do my yardwork. Also all the crappy jobs that American citizens dont want are gladly done by Jesus Sanchez. A huge part of California economy is farming and there are very small numbers of citizen that are willing to work in 110 degree heat picking strawberries, onions, and all the other produce Cali grows.

I could care less the status of a human, immigrant or citizen. If they are a good person, they are a good person.

Hell, even bad characters are still all human and should all be treated with dignity and resepct.

Just because there are a small number of immigrants rioting in France, I am willing to bet that there are 10 fold more of immagrants that arent rioting and are just as angry that it is occuring. I am willing to bet that there are even French citizens that are also rioting.

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You are the dumbest person ever.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
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The immigration is bigger problem than we think.

It's been changed jackass.
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I am sure glad this forum somehow all became experts on immigration and know of the effects.


Ignorance, not immigration it the problem.

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Me too.

It's been changed jackass.
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Has anyone that is against immigration ever seen an immagrant?

I bet most of you couldnt even tell the difference between an immigrant and a citizen....

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^^ Honestly I have and have a lot of expierence with immigrants when I was in Texas.

It's been changed jackass.
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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Has anyone that is against immigration ever seen an immagrant?

I bet most of you couldnt even tell the difference between an immigrant and a citizen....

I've been to New York, Texas, I lived in California, and I live in Florida. Of course I've seen an immigrant and I think it is safe to say most of the forum has too. Although I can't always tell an immigrant, if we are discussing illegal hispanics, I think it is realtively easy. When you are in California, just look in the strawberry fields or the gardners. Usually not shaved, not clean, wear old worn out clothes.
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History assignment for OS:  Compare and contrast the current riots in France with the race riots in the US in the 60's.  Explain commonalities and differences.

(I'll summarize:  Bad things and riots happen at different times for different reasons.  Generalizing from limited data, like OS did in his post, is incorrect)

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One more thing I forgot to mention to all those that complain and moan about all the jobs going to the immagrants, if your that dumb that a company will hire an immigrant that barely speaks English over you, it is your own fault that you didnt finish high school and get a better education. It doesnt take much to qualify for and keep a job. Hell, it must not be to difficult since the immagrants can manage to do it.

Your still a kid, Dj. How did the "immigration problem" ever effect you?

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Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

Usually not shaved, not clean, wear old worn out clothes.


Have you not seen pictures of me? Sure seems odd this American citezen easily fits into this description. As will half the college aged US citizens.

Yeah for sterotyping!!!!

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