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Clark Kent
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 9:06pm |
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How do you figure? Clinton was impeached for lying under oath in a court of law. Lying under oath in a court of law is illegal. Whether of not Clinton lied is a matter of fact for a court to determine, but there is no discussion as to whether lying under oath is illegal. |
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TRAVELER
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 5:13pm |
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So Mr Earls finally got his indictment. He promised such an indictment
at a Democratic fundraiser a couple months ago. Mr Earls has had an axe
to grind with Mr Delay for several years now, and he finally found a
grand jury that would agree with him.
This is eerily similar to the Hutchinson debacle of several years ago. Mr Earls managed to get what was it, 6 indictments? But no convictions. The DeLay indictment is broad and unspecific, the burden of proof required to indict is far less substantial than that required to convict. George Bush has better odds of winning a 3rd term than Mr Earls has of getting a conviction against Tom DeLay. BTW, GOP lawyers cannot simply get an indictment tossed. Mr Earls will take his sweet time getting his case assembled for trial. He doesn't expect to win, his only goal is to create a stink between now and the mid term elections. Edited by TRAVELER |
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Linus
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 5:12pm |
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Clark... Bill CLinton was impeached (literally akin to indicted), yet what he did wasn't illegal.
And to go back to my main point, I don't deny that the indicitment is legit, but like i've said before, he won't go down for it, it's not illegal what he did. Now quit saying you doubt any part of my post without giving proof as to why I am in doubt. Edited by Linus |
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 5:04pm |
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Well OJ got off, so its only even. |
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 2:31pm |
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Clark Kent
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 1:48pm |
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My personal prediction: The two cronies go down, but DeLay gets off for failure to prove conspiracy.
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 1:01pm |
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Your forgetting the tell all clue in these kinds of cases. Tom is white, therefore not guilty reguardless of any of the charges against him.
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 12:58pm |
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All suspects in Gitmo are guilty and should be executed immediately, or held without trial indefinitely. Tom Delay is innocent, even though he has been found guilty of ethics violations in the past. Makes sense to me. Edited by goodsmitty |
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Clark Kent
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 12:25pm |
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And Linus, if this indictment is so silly that a high school class can figure it out, why haven't the GOP lawyers had it tossed by now? They have had more than a year... I guess maybe the GOP should hire your civics teacher to their legal team. The issue isn't your legal analysis (although that is interesting as well) - the issue is your analysis of reality. |
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 10:53am |
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Linus, you're wrong.
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Linus
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 10:14am |
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Clark, I know what the law states even If I didn't make it seem like it in my post.
Like I said, his lawyer is going to say that it's perfectly legit for the RNC to put the same amount of funds that they get from Texan corporations back into Texan politican campaign funds, just as long as it goes through the RNC first and it isn't desiginated for Texan politicans. The RNC can split the money they recieve however they want. You can't deny that. And if DeLay DID ask the RNC to do it, it still isn't 'conspiracy to launder money', simply by the fact that he followed proper procedures, even if liberals climb the highest peaks and proclaim he did not. Tom DeLay has a target on his back, so any half brained liberal will find thew slightest thing that might be construed as wrong and throw it at him. Now, I will keep stating this point until you find the actual passage inside compaign funding that says youa ren't allowed to ask for the same amount of money that is receieved. It's only illegal if he went directly to the corporations and got the money from them without the money first going to the RNC or GOP. Now seriosuly, quit saying I'm wrong and PROVE i'm wrong.
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 4:17am |
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I won't even bother to explain why your legal analysis is wrong, Linus. Instead, I will elaborate on EJP's statement of the obvious. In order for the grand jury to issue an indictment, there must be facts alleged that, at least in theory, would be criminal if true. The facts in the indictment are the same that were alleged against the two co-conspirators before. Those two guys are on their way to trial. This indictment merely added DeLay to the situation. Simply put: if what you claim were true as a matter of law, then this indictment would never have come to be. This legal theory has been floating around for the better part of a year - if this theory were as flawed as you posit, then this whole thing would have gone away a long time ago. There are facts to be proven - was there an actual conspiracy? Was there criminal intent? Did the money move as alleged? - and the legal theory may yet come under attack, probably in the form of a constitutional challenge to campaign finance laws - but a claim that the indictment is so obviously flawed as you say, such a claim is, frankly, embarassing. Campaign finance laws are very complex. Who do you trust - the zillions of lawyers who specialize in this stuff, who have been looking at this case for more than a year, or your civics teacher? I stand by my earlier statement. If this is what you are learning in school, you need a new school, or at least some new teachers. |
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Posted: 30 September 2005 at 6:51pm |
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Hm. He is being indicited for conspiracy to launder funds? Hmm. I predict this case will go no where.
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Posted: 30 September 2005 at 6:37pm |
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Oh, so that's why he was indicted. |
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Linus
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Posted: 30 September 2005 at 6:10pm |
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Ok Clark, let me make it more clear for you before you go bashing my school.. which is actually one of the top ones int he state and country.
He's being charged with 'laundering funds' correct? Texas law says Corporations cannot DIRECTLY give money to political parties. So, the corps end up sending it to the RNC and GOP. Now correct me if I'm wrong(unlikely since I checked) but the RNC's job, among other things, is to hand out money for different republican canidates, correct? In all essence, the RNC can send back the exact amount of money back to Texan politicans that they receieve from Texas corporations and it's 100% legal. He's being indicted for 'conspiriacy to launder funds' as said by CNN this morning. Last I checked, it's only conspiracy if he tries to plan a way to get the money DIRECTLY from the Corporations to the politicians WITHOUT going through the proper channels. And again, last I checked he DID go through the proper channels. This case will be investigated because of DeLay's previous history, but it will be promptly taken out. There, happy that I elaborated? Edited by Linus |
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Posted: 29 September 2005 at 9:40pm |
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Clark Kent
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Posted: 29 September 2005 at 9:35pm |
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Linus, if everything you are repeating from school is accurate, you really need to change schools, because they are filling your head with nonsense. Seriously. Some of the things you report from school are just plain scary. Like this one. |
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Posted: 29 September 2005 at 3:41pm |
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Kristopher, do you purposely write like that to allow the forum to have a perceived negative image of you, or do you just not really know that much? |
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Posted: 29 September 2005 at 3:24pm |
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Yeah, because we all know that only liberals form opinions before the courts weigh in. Just like we all know that the US media is unbiased, right? Tell me something while you're railing againt the "liberals". Do you believe OJ is innocent? did you wait until the court let him off and say "yeah, I'll believe their decision." What about Michael Jackson? You can't tell me that you reserved opinions until judgement by a court in these cases, or clintons, or terry chiavos. And by blasting the "liberals" for doing the same, you walk that line of hypocracy that makes our government, and our social structure in general, a joke. |
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Linus
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Posted: 29 September 2005 at 12:15pm |
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We discussed this in Am Govt class today...
what he did isn't illegal becasue there is no rule against it. Big woop, he used a loop-hole to get cash for his party.. you can't tell me the dem's havn't done the same in one way or another. |
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