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    Posted: 11 September 2005 at 9:35pm
I went pballing this weekend, and i choped a lot, a lot. It was easily once every game. And then i lost all acuracy. I use a 98c with a gravity hopper. Im thinking im outshooting the hopper. What do you think?
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what are your ups? do you have any firepower ups? were you using crappy paint?
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Where is the broken paint?

Is it only in the barrel, or in the breech.

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it was all in the breech. I have no idea how many BPS i was shooting, but i would chop quite often when the firefight got exciting. And my accuracy became like . The paint was awesome. I got a case of 2000 from countypaintball.com. 45$ included shipping, and it was as good as draxxus blaze, if not better. Since my gun crapped out on me (learning some lessons on the 98) I gave my more experienced frined (who shots a stock 98) my bigshot and 200 balls of paint. He became twice as good. 3 kills in 2 minutes. It was awesome to watch.
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Sounds like you were outshooting your hopper.
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Originally posted by bronco9588 bronco9588 wrote:

3 kills in 2 minutes. It was awesome to watch.



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OMG HE SAID KILLS THAT WILL END THE SPORT OF PAINTBALL AS WE KNOW IT!

Anyways, just buy a new hopper, that's electric, I'd reccomend a Viewloader Revolution, or an Empire Reloader 2.
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Originally posted by bronco9588 bronco9588 wrote:

I went pballing this weekend, and i chopped a lot, a lot. It was easily once every game. And then i lost all accuracy. I use a 98C with a gravity hopper. I'm thinking I'm outshooting the hopper. What do you think?

If you are running a 98C in stock configuration you are not out shooting your gravity feed hopper. A gravity feed hopper with good paint (not old with flat spots or sticky from moisture or heat) can handle 11+ bps. And if you are running a stock 98C you cannot fire faster than 11 bps.

Don't spend money on a new electric hopper until you solve the chopping problem. Check such things as the cleanliness of the hopper throat and the marker feed neck. Make sure the hopper is seated full depth into the neck. Make sure there is no trash, such as pieces of shell, partially jamming the forward bolt. Make sure the leading edge of the forward bold is not damaged (such as a nick from a squeegee pulled through the barrel.

I have had problems with chops that were fixed by replacing the forward bolt. Installed a new Tippmann part and the problem went away. Have also seen chopping problems go away when a Palmer Stabilizer was installed and pressures reduced to 550 psi.

Then again, sometimes when marker was working perfectly with one paint, switched to another  and chopped every 5th ball. Went back to previous paint and all the problem went away. Some good paint is just too fragile to shoot well in a Tippmann. Paint that has been stored for a couple of months in too warm temps gets a little egg shaped. That will chop like crazy.

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first off, gravity only feeds about 6 bps. and i can walk this mech faster that 6 cps with the trigger mods ive done.
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It is almost inevitable to get chops with a basic hopper if shooting even a little fast.

Yes, a gravity hopper can in theory feed 11-13 bps or so.  But in real life balls get snagged, temporarily clogged, bump into each other, and generally don't fall smoothly into the gun.  These are all the things that a Revvy fixes, which is why a Revvy can reliably feed 11-13 bps and a VL200 can not.

If you like to lay on the trigger on any gun, then an agitated hopper (at least) is an absolute must.  For $35 or less you can get a Revolution, which should solve your problem.



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its not a problem anymore. I got a Q-loader which shoots 31 bps coming in the mail.
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Still chops with the Q-loader. Im thinking its the paint, velocity, or the ball detent. However, i dont see how an old ball detent would be the problem.
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.....Why did you get a QLoader?  There's no firepower upgrades at all are there?

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i bought it with the intentions of upgrading later, and to get the hopper off the top of the gun. Firepower will be one of my last upgrades, but the mech is pretty walkable.

anyways, what are the chances of getting a case of paint prone to chopping?
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I like evil paintballs. I would check to make sure that the ball detent is situated in the right spot. Make sure that there isn't any busted paint in the hopper, feedneck, chamber, etc.
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can the ball detent slide around?
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Originally posted by Sureshot3091 Sureshot3091 wrote:

.....Why did you get a QLoader?  There's no firepower upgrades at all are there?

The Qloader is considered by some to be a Fire Power Upgrade and it does what it is stated in Qloader.com, I have it on my 98c w/RT, Sweet Spotted the RT a few times, shooting 15 BPS and no ball chops.
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they are beautiful. Where did you mount yours to on the 98?
Im having trouble deciding. Anyways, do you still use the stock elbow?
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Newb question: what is "firepower" referring to here?

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i just got my 98c 2 day ago it shot fine the first day the second day it started shoting out paint i think it was because i was pull the trigger to fast for rapid shots to see want the gun can do before i get shot in a field game so that was the only time balls broke i am use some no name paintball that the guy at the shop say there were tippmann ball want is at good ball to use for a beginner an should i upgrade the hopper to the cyclone feeder or get the r/t added or just put a j&j barrel on it is not shoting ball straight want is up with that please help i love my tippmann it sounds mean when i shot it thanks

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