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The War of Northern Aggression was fought primarily over the issue of States Rights, the right of the individual states to determine thier own path, as originally intended, not a over controling central Federal Government favoring the industrial northern states by official policy.

Slavery was a secondary issue, wherein the Stars and Stripes supported slavery longer than the less than four years of the Stars and Bars. Several Northern States during the war still had forms of slavery supporting industrial concerns.

Grants policy of "Total War" was original in that to destroy your enemies ability to make war, you shorten the war. The narrow swaths Sherman cut through Georgia from Atlanta to Savanna was a small part of the concept, limited in scope, but it did have a dramatic impact on those affected as well as the Southern Military Commands future ability to make and sustain the war effort.

South Carolinas State Government, (The Confederate Government was not firmly established nor had any control of Confederate issues at the time), proposed a bombardmant of Ft Sumpter only after diplomatic attempts were made for the Northern garrison to agree to leave the state territory peaceably, the final decesion for the bombardment was made in error at the time, without written or supporting orders from a command, by a local artillery commander, the appearence of a Northern resupply ship entering the area instigated the beginning of the bombardmant to prevent resupply of the besieged forts garrison. And only after the fact did the Southern authorities justify the action.

Many southern troops were from the poorer end of thier society, and had no stake in the slave issue, only protecting thier homes and thier way of life. The Southern Officer corps were for the most part West Point trained and many were originally offered commands in the Northern Armies before they returned to thier home states in the south to fight for thier state. Lee was a Virginian first and American second, that was the Southern mindset of the times, allegiance to thier state first, those states under a Confederacy supporting states rights, not a Federal Government demanding a controling overall authority over state governments.

Slavery has exsited since the beginning of time and still exsists throughout the world, and somewhere in America today someone is working under conditions resembling slavery in some form or condition. And no Government edict, demand, law, policy or program, no matter how noblely inspired, will ever change the human animals desire for power over another.



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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Zesty Zesty wrote:

Take it from a minority who actually knows what it's like to have everyone against you...if you really have the drive, no one can stop you.


And nobody doubts that. But, as I said before, the issue isn't the cream. John Johnson was bound to succeed, whatever his circumstances.


But most people aren't John Johnson. Most people are fairly motivated, fairly intelligent, fairly studious, and think Algebra II is very difficult. What about those guys? Should they also get the same shake, regardless of race?



The way I see it is pretty simple, no on is owed anything. Especially to the point, you continue to say the environment/status of racism in this country leads to blacks being oppressed and underpriveliged...how is that?

What opportunity is the average black kid lacking that the average white kid isn't?

From all I can see, you do well in school, you don't need any money to go to college, ESPECIALLY if you are black.

IMNSHO, an employer should be able to hire the employee they feel is most qualified for a job. If that means he hires all black guys, or all white guys, or a mix of both it doesn't bother me at all. It's his right to employee who he wants.

Specifically, what inherrent struggles do blacks face that is exclusively inherrent to their race?

I fail to see why a poor black kid from the ghetto can't do his best in school and earn good grades, earning a scholarship, getting him into a good college and on to a better job/life.

I guess it's just easier to blame it on whitey and his oppressive nature, than to admit you are just a lazy bum.

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I believe it may be harder for the poor black kid, but it is still entirely possible. Also, what AA doesn't take into account are the many poor white families. It pretty much assumes all blacks are poor and all whites are stable. 

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Originally posted by Zesty Zesty wrote:

Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Zesty Zesty wrote:

Take it from a minority who actually knows what it's like to have everyone against you...if you really have the drive, no one can stop you.


And nobody doubts that.  But, as I said before, the issue isn't the cream.  John Johnson was bound to succeed, whatever his circumstances. 


But most people aren't John Johnson.  Most people are fairly motivated, fairly intelligent, fairly studious, and think Algebra II is very difficult.  What about those guys?  Should they also get the same shake, regardless of race?



The way I see it is pretty simple, no on is owed anything. Especially to the point, you continue to say the environment/status of racism in this country leads to blacks being oppressed and underpriveliged...how is that?

What opportunity is the average black kid lacking that the average white kid isn't?

From all I can see, you do well in school, you don't need any money to go to college, ESPECIALLY if you are black.

IMNSHO, an employer should be able to hire the employee they feel is most qualified for a job. If that means he hires all black guys, or all white guys, or a mix of both it doesn't bother me at all. It's his right to employee who he wants.

Specifically, what inherrent struggles do blacks face that is exclusively inherrent to their race?

I fail to see why a poor black kid from the ghetto can't do his best in school and earn good grades, earning a scholarship, getting him into a good college and on to a better job/life.

I guess it's just easier to blame it on whitey and his oppressive nature, than to admit you are just a lazy bum.

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what happened to native americans, Black, chinese, irish and many other groups, can't be changed. wether your family was slave owners, where slaves themselfs or didnt come over till after slavery was abolished they still gained benifites caused by slavery and oppression. my family was enslaved in Italy, by their own family hence; Pepiton (we are the slaves) and Pepitone (the royalty and owners) apparently the Pepitone's just decided we were inferior and enslaved us, im unsure how it exactly happened. 
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Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

what happened to native americans, Black, chinese, irish and many other groups, can't be changed. wether your family was slave owners, where slaves themselfs or didnt come over till after slavery was abolished they still gained benifites caused by slavery and oppression. my family was enslaved in Italy, by their own family hence; Pepiton (we are the slaves) and Pepitone (the royalty and owners) apparently the Pepitone's just decided we were inferior and enslaved us, im unsure how it exactly happened. 

What century was that in.
 



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I think he is just going by his last name if anything.
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Originally posted by Jim Paint Jim Paint wrote:

Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

what happened to native americans, Black, chinese, irish and many other groups, can't be changed. wether your family was slave owners, where slaves themselfs or didnt come over till after slavery was abolished they still gained benifites caused by slavery and oppression. my family was enslaved in Italy, by their own family hence; Pepiton (we are the slaves) and Pepitone (the royalty and owners) apparently the Pepitone's just decided we were inferior and enslaved us, im unsure how it exactly happened. 

What century was that in.
 
 it started late 16th century (approximently) till the middle of the 19th century when my great great grandpa and grandma escaped into spain.  

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