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And during all that if he has a bomb its gone off.

But jumping to conclusions is not the right thing to do. The shoot to kill policy is stupid. Defending the actions of the police is defending the slaing of an innocent, whom they are supposed to protect. Tough decision, yes; however, I would love to see what actually happened.

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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

And during all that if he has a bomb its gone off.


His target would have been the subway. He never reached the subway. If the officers would have **edited**ed around with continuing to yell at him, he probably would have reached his theoretical target.
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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

And during all that if he has a bomb its gone off.


His target would have been the subway. He never reached the subway. If the officers would have **edited**ed around with continuing to yell at him, he probably would have reached his theoretical target.

It's too bad that the idiotic theory got an innocent killed. If that would have happened at any other time (which does not make it any less or more high risk for an attack) the cops would be found completely to blame. It's only because of the original attacks that these officers are getting a free pass at their mistake.

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If a cop is telling you something, and you intend to blow up a trainstation, you wouldnt detonate and kill a couple cops?
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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

If a cop is telling you something, and you intend to blow up a trainstation, you wouldnt detonate and kill a couple cops?

I don't know whether or not that was rhetorical. However, the point is, it happened because they were scared. If this would have been weeks before the first blast, the cops would be punished severely. Although the threat of a terrorist attack is no different now than it was months ago.

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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Originally posted by Hairball!!! Hairball!!! wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

And during all that if he has a bomb its gone off.
His target would have been the subway. He never reached the subway. If the officers would have **edited**ed around with continuing to yell at him, he probably would have reached his theoretical target.


It's too bad that the idiotic theory got an innocent killed. If that would have happened at any other time (which does not make it any less or more high risk for an attack) the cops would be found completely to blame. It's only because of the original attacks that these officers are getting a free pass at their mistake.



An "idiotic theory?" I fail to see how trying to protect a large number of people is idiotic. Their job was to be alert, and to assume the worst if confronted with a problem. It's up to the citizens to follow the rules, and if they break them then they should be punished. It is HIS fault he jumped the turnstile, it is HIS fault he did not stop and face the music, knowing full well that these officers are hell-bent on protecting the subways. These officers did what they felt was necessary to do their duty.
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Regardless of whether or not the officers felt it was necessary, it was still the wrong decision and they should face the consequences.
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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

If a cop is telling you something, and you intend to blow up a trainstation, you wouldnt detonate and kill a couple cops?


Try to think like a fanatical terrorist trying to kill as many people as you can. Would you rather blow yourself up inside a packed subway or kill a few police officers and maybe injure a few other people if you're lucky?
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You people have an unrealistic veiw of crime and punishment. Crime =/= Death.

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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Regardless of whether or not the officers felt it was necessary, it was still the wrong decision and they should face the consequences.


How was it the wrong decision? They had two options: let him get on the subway or take him down. Which seems logical?
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Originally posted by Hairball!!! Hairball!!! wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Regardless of whether or not the officers felt it was necessary, it was still the wrong decision and they should face the consequences.


How was it the wrong decision? They had two options: let him get on the subway or take him down. Which seems logical?


This leads down a dangerous line of logic, which will eventually settle upon 1984.

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

You people have an unrealistic veiw of crime and punishment. Crime =/= Death.


It would be impossible under those circumstances to differentiate between a guy willing to do a minor infraction to save a few bucks and a guy trying to blow up a train.

It's not so much that he actually committed the crime, it's that when he was CLEARLY CAUGHT that he still ran away from officers that were willing to use extreme force to stop threats. It seems that the only people that would run under those conditions either have the intelligence of a brick or is a lunatic.
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Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:

Originally posted by Hairball!!! Hairball!!! wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Regardless of whether or not the
officers felt it was necessary, it was still the wrong decision and
they should face the consequences.

How was it the wrong decision? They had two options: let him get on the subway or take him down. Which seems logical?


This leads down a dangerous line of logic, which will eventually settle upon 1984.


It's an extremely simplified logic I used to make a point.

I know citizens do not own guns in Britain, but for the sake of the argument let's say there was a person getting on the subway that had had a gun. He looks over his shoulder and sees a man with a heavy-looking jacket running for the subway, being pursued by police. Do you think it may occur to the armed person to shoot the running man? Why or why not may the person do so?

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It's and endless argument. Dune I don't wish for people to be killed or hurt. For the sake of this argument it would do you good if you were wounded in a terroist attack. Then later told they didn't shoot him in risk of maybe losing their job if they were wrong.  How would you feel?
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Live in DC then tell me you dont agree with their actions. Or New York for that matter.
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this could go both ways.

1. The unarmed man was stupid for dressing like that, especially running from the cops. ESPECIALLY in a time of crisis.

2. The cops who guned him down, well, can't blame em' they're doing what they're trained to do, but I guess they could have used non-lethal tactics, like feckin rubber bullets, or splinter cell crap, like ring airfoil round, or damn bean bagged him! or tazed etc....

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Yeah.. Shoot me with a beanbag and i will blow you up quicker than than you can bobs your uncle.
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well, im just saying, what if YOU were him, would you rather be dead, or be bruised 20x worse than paintball?

the cops did what they had to do, ASSUMING that man could have explosives strapped to his body, potentially putting innocent civilans in danger, including the authorities, he got what was coming

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If they think he has a bomb they arent going to use non lethal force. Non lethal force is for crowd control, a drunk person ect ect.
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the reason for shootin him dead was becouse all the shots were concentrated in the head (to stop any bomb strapped to his chest being aggravated). as an example if you ran into the underground with a paintball marker firing shots into the air and the police shot u, is that classed as them not doing there duty properly? the police would have to make a split second decision just like they did with the idiot running for the train, they did their duty they tried there best to protect the british public from a possible threat!!

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