let’s try this again.....

Spyders are better why

Uh yeah, that topic was really looking for intelligent responses. He's a troll.

I have read straight through it. I recognize flame bait when I see it. Sorry, I dont pull punches or placate the egos of people that are trying to get arguements started. Somewhere right now he's enjoying the disent and aggrevation he's sewn.
As far as my first statement. I'd like to see proof otherwise. I really would. Saying a gun cant shoot him out. That is a poor arguement. Attacking someones name, thats laughable. I think its very immature behaviour and it seems his sole purpose here has been to argue, nothing more, nothing less.
His last thread was locked because it was made simply to tweak people. Locking this instead of challenging his opinion would let him win. I simply request that I see these spyders that drastically out perform tippmanns.
As far as I know, very few fields use spyders for field guns. Most places around the world use tippmanns. Why, they are more reliable. More bang for the buck. They perform better with less maintaining. They are more easily upgradeable. As far as field stripping goes, tippmanns approach was much more clean then spyders. I am totally against cotterpins being put on a paintball gun. They are unsafe and a large number of spyders use them. Innovation wise I have not seen anything, sans the rocking trigger, new for a spyder. Might I point out, I said new for a spyder, meaning, they did not do it first.

Re-milling a gun and adding on poor quality accessories is not doing anything at all. In the last year have they done anything original, The last two, 5? I dont consider adding a drop and a low quality expansion chamber or regulator original.Unusable sight rails, bottom of the line expansion chambers, cheap and unsafe bolt retention systems, trigger modifications that someone else innovated.

Happy zesty. I have posted all the reasons why spyders are not better. Oh, you want tippmanns strong points.
Safer bolt retention, easier field stripping, new C02 valve system that allows all players to fill thier own tanks, there by making them a better choice for field rental and a upping the level of safety on a field. A new feed system that comes stock on thier guns as well as being able to be added to older guns such as the 98. Dependability, reliabilty, better customer support, better warranty, better scenario field presence, more to offer a casual player, easier maint. on guns allowing younger less experienced players the ability to learn how to take care of thier guns. Less chance of the gun breaking or injuring a player, making it a more welcoming experience to newer players. More after release attention to specific markers instead of pumping out a new color the next month instead of dealing with issues on the previous gun.
Satisfied?

zesty man TT is right wats ur problem and because of u now he is elaving the tippmann forum u think your cool now?

the 98custom to me is just more comfortable, compact, and just as fast as any mech sypder....and if you have a quick finger ro you do any basic mods to you guns it can shoot as fast as an electro spyder (or at least the ones I have shot.)

and thank you zesty you hit it right on the head.

Edited by benttwig33

druidsdecendant wrote: actually yes I am 35. And my home field specializes in 98's as rentals. this is it... www.skirmish.com

specializes in 98 rentals? what feild DOESN'T specialize in 98 rentals???? have you ever been to any other feild outside your area?

i don't understand what your trying to prove. reading PlentifilBallz first post on page one, he prety much proves everything you have to say as either wrong, that a tippy is equal to a spyder in that area, or that one of your points is just plain stupid that is totally based around personal preference (stocks).

anyone who actually shoots guns before getting into paintball will probobly like a stock. feels more natural and comfortable.

and as for scopes. i have a cheap rifle scope on my marker. with a %70 full tank or better, i can hit the target with my flatline at 100 feet quite easily. so i dont see what anyone has against scopes. if a scope will get me 1 extra hit dureing a day of play, i'll take it. they help when you play in dark woods and need to see where exactly your hitting.

so... what is your point in all of this? if you open your eyes, you'll see tippys arent bad guns. spyders arent bad guns either. stock spyders and tippmanns are pretty much right on the same level anyway so... why?

Edited by tippmann89c

tippmann89c wrote: druidsdecendant wrote: actually yes I am 35. And my home field specializes in 98's as rentals. this is it... www.skirmish.com specializes in 98 rentals? what feild DOESN'T specialize in 98 rentals???? have you ever been to any other feild outside your area? Sadly, no. The 2 fields I use, only use Tippmans...and after my experience with the one I owned, I tried Spyders and have been met with great success. i don't understand what your trying to prove. reading PlentifilBallz first post on page one, he prety much proves everything you have to say as either wrong, that a tippy is equal to a spyder in that area, or that one of your points is just plain stupid that is totally based around personal preference (stocks). I believe I have made my point that perhaps I was hasty in my judgements...but this was based on two different markers made at two different times, years apart. anyone who actually shoots guns before getting into paintball will probobly like a stock. feels more natural and comfortable. I do understand what you are saying but you cannot compare firearms to paintball. Stocks are for 1) keeping the aim steady  2) absorb recoil  and as for scopes. i have a cheap rifle scope on my marker. with a %70 full tank or better, i can hit the target with my flatline at 100 feet quite easily. so i dont see what anyone has against scopes. if a scope will get me 1 extra hit dureing a day of play, i'll take it. they help when you play in dark woods and need to see where exactly your hitting. I can understand this but a stock interferes with my style of play...even in the woods and during scenario games...not to mention...interfered with my mask. so... what is your point in all of this? if you open your eyes, you'll see tippys arent bad guns. spyders arent bad guns either. stock spyders and tippmanns are pretty much right on the same level anyway so... why? I'm trying to and so far, I'm pretty much convinced that I got a lemon (the one I owned). The second one I played with wasn't much better (accuracy and curve balls....either a barrel or paint problem). Out of the box, my Spyders have never let me down...save for a pinched O-ring on one. Now...I did mod the crap out of them to make them better...which is why I originally said about "more aftermarket" products than what can be forund for a tippman. My initial inclination was they can't be improved (because they're junk) but Zesty has pointed out the really don't need so many things (because they don't NEED improving). I just have to find a properly working marker to show me that...that's all.

This thread made_TT_ quit.  Somebody needs to burn it...

Why the hell is this still here...and why the hell is one of our mods arguing with people?

Honestly, old thread thats been bumped=sucks.

Delete it...I beg of you.  I'll give you a cookie, a sandwich, a, a...well...

Yea, as everyone knows. The world revolves around me.

Predatorr wrote: This thread made_TT_ quit.  Somebody needs to burn it...

I don't need to defend my response to what someone else said. If taken at face-value and presuming it to be true, well....whatever...

And I didn't say mods couldn't participate...I said they shouldn't throw gas on the fire. Being a moderator, one accepts a little more responsibility for their behavior and actions on the forum. They are supposed to be "the moral majority" when it comes to censoring the posts and that's why they are give the "extra buttons."

Here's the definition...1 & 2 apply:

Main Entry: mod·er·a·tor
Pronunciation: 'mä-d&-"rA-t&r
Function: noun
1 : one who arbitrates : MEDIATOR
2 : one who presides over an assembly, meeting, or discussion: as a : the presiding officer of a Presbyterian governing body b : the nonpartisan presiding officer of a town meeting c : the chairman of a discussion group
3 : a substance (as graphite) used for slowing down neutrons in a nuclear reactor

note it said nonpartisan. Meaning...

Main Entry: non·par·ti·san
Pronunciation: 'nän-'pär-t&-z&n, -s&n
Function: adjective
: not partisan; especially : free from party affiliation, bias, or designation <nonpartisan ballot> <a nonpartisan board>
- non·par·ti·san·ship /-"ship/ noun

 

I'm not saying he/she can't have an opinion. I'm saying a moderator should be more professional, since he/she represents the owners of the thing they moderate--in this case, a discussion/discussion group or board. That means..no flames, no fuel to the fire, no belittling a differing opinion...and certainly no tantrums, editing/deleting posts out of spite for an individual without just-cause or any other behavior damaging or demeaning towards the owners and their reputation. What an individual 'thinks' his behavior is, may not necessarily be opinion the owners hold...and just because an owner may not respond immediately (or even at all), doesn't mean they give their approval to continue.

Now...I will delete the post I made to discontinue the berratement from TT's fan club.