God?

fractus.scud wrote: God did say he would intervene very little. Basically letting the world run itself until he's had enough. So to some extent you are correct. Iguess you could consider the few times God intervenes as "Miralcles".

Therein lies the heart of my proof.

The world operates according to scientifically predictable rules.  In order for god to intervene, he would have to cause something to happen contrary to these predictable rules (it isn't much of a miracle to make the sun come up in the morning).

Things happen that are apparently contrary to our scientific understanding of the world only a tiny fraction of the time.  The technical/statistical/scientific term for this is that there is not a statistically significant deviation.

Therefore, any interventions that god makes are either redundant (intervening to make something happen that was going to happen anyway), or these interventions are so rare that their impact on the world is statistically insignificant.

Therefore, as a mathematical matter, god is statistically insignificant.

But to most people statistics have nothing to do with their faith. Scientific statistics fail even in science. And most of what I believe as Interventions aren't earth-shaking occurences, but simply Divine Help in personal matters.

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Like God actually took the time out of his day to help Curt Schilling pitch the gamewinner in the World Series, but he still avoids helping the millions of poor, sick, and dying in the world.

Ehh, maybe god's a Red Sox fan.

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you should have an i dont know on that poll.

God blesses people with gifts.

The poor, the sick and dying from disease and malnutrition come from the evil of men.

DBibeau855 wrote: Saying god is insignificant is silly. "Physics is the language of god"

Certainly, god could have set up the system in the first place.  My point is simply that putting aside origins or afterlives - as to the universe as we know it, god has no statistically significant impact.

Simply as a matter of science.

DBibeau855 wrote: God blesses people with gifts. The poor, the sick and dying from disease and malnutrition come from the evil of men.

What Dune said.  This is too convenient.

When good things happen, god gets all the credit.  When bad things happen, god gets no blame.  That don't seem right.

You all claim how the US inslaves countries through business and debt, and these countries become poor, they cant afford medicine or food, so they starve and get sick. Greed is the culpret, if everyone was more concerned about human beings than money, truely concerned about people. The world would be a better place.

fractus.scud wrote: Once again, God said he would let us basically run the world. Sick children dieing is the fault of their corrupt country, not his. Today in church the Gospel was about burdens, and Jesus told us our life would be a burden, God never said the Earth would be a happy slappy place where nothing went wrong.

So you agree with me that god is insignificant today?

You sound like a deist...

DBibeau855 wrote: You all claim how the US inslaves countries through business and debt,.

That would be the smittys - not the rest of us.