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Originally posted by GhettoSmurf GhettoSmurf wrote:

YOu have still given me no proof jesus exists bud

 

You're right, he didn't, some people just convinced the Romans to start the year count at some random time.  Ano Dominus is just because they thought it would be fun to play a trick on the world, it doesn't really mean in the year of our Lord. 




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Originally posted by GhettoSmurf GhettoSmurf wrote:

churches profit bud, just not all of them

And do you think the churches just hoard this money?




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I use BCE (Before Common Era) to be politically correct. Calendars made up from the Romans. It's unfortunate that the rest of the world has to go by BC and AD in reference to religion.

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if your a christian u dont need proof just belive in him and trust him and belive he died for your sins u dont need proof that he exisist
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Yea, that whole Before and After Common era thing is special, I wonder why they chose the year that they did?



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Originally posted by GhettoSmurf GhettoSmurf wrote:

Some churches make their attendees donate at least 10% of their income. And if they don't tehy are condemned to hell or however that works. And then the churches don't have to pay taxes.


They don't make them do anything. I'm pretty sure in the bible you are suppose to tithe 10% of your income but you are not forced or condemnded to hell if you dont.

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Originally posted by redneckdeerhunt redneckdeerhunt wrote:

if your a christian u dont need proof just belive in him and trust him and belive he died for your sins u dont need proof that he exisist

Copout.

Yeah, It deals with Dionysius and his attempt to coordinate time based on a larger scale than just of the kings that were currently ruling. So he developed it after the time that they thought Jesus was born. The rest of the world really didn't get a say.

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Yes it is a shame. Now I am requesting that we let this topic die. It is obvious that I will always think the truth is evolution, and the others will think the truth is in the bible. Random arguings of pure opinion will not change this. Thankyou

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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Originally posted by redneckdeerhunt redneckdeerhunt wrote:

if your a christian u dont need proof just belive in him and trust him and belive he died for your sins u dont need proof that he exisist

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Yeah, It deals with Dionysius and his attempt to coordinate time based on a larger scale than just of the kings that were currently ruling. So he developed it after the time that they thought Jesus was born. The rest of the world really didn't get a say.

 

That confused me.




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I was saying that redneckdeerhunter's comment was a copout. People insist I show them proof of evolution and science, but they can lazily say that all they have to do is believe, it's a stupid copout.

Then I was explaining the development of the modern calendar with the help of the previous calendar set up by the Romans.

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and what redneckdeerhunt said is true. All we need is our faith and relationship with God, we don't need so-called scientific fact to know God exists. And moderate evolutions dosen't disprove God one bit.

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That's just a load. You want proof from me, which exists all around us. Except you get to say "we just have to believe." The lack of actual proof just tells me that there is no god.

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And what proof do you have that God dosen't exist huh? Evolution? Well sorry evolution dosn't disprove God. And what, theres no guy in the clouds? You ever relize how big our universe is, maybe God is right in the middle billions of light years away, maybe hell is a plenet next to another sun, and heaven is a planet similar to our where God lives. There is no scientific proof that God dosen't exist, just as there isn't really any that says he does.

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I AGAIN request to stop this meaningless debate. Believe in what you believe in, your faith is your faith, it doesn'rt effect me or anyone else PLEASE stop this debate do not post here anymore and let this topic die
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Originally posted by fractus.scud fractus.scud wrote:

And what proof do you have that God dosen't exist huh? Evolution? Well sorry evolution dosn't disprove God. ...There is no scientific proof that God dosen't exist, just as there isn't really any that says he does.

Whoever said that evolution disproved god?

What scientist ever claimed to have proven that god doesn't exist?

Believe it or not, the scientific community is not out to prove the non-existence of god.

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psh, you just can't beat me. j/k (directed towards G-Smurf)

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In proving that science cooridnates the creation of living things, their destruction, and the evolving nature of organisms, science is found to be truthful. However, I am not allowed to ask for proof of god, yet many of you want hardcore facts that he doesn't. The hypocracy is very strong when we can prove science, (in which you guys say it's just god controlling science) and use "his almighty power" as a trump card. I don't see god anywhere, nor do I actually believe the stories of the bible to be true, but what I can see is an earth and space full of elements that have formed and created this world.

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I don't see how a big bang, that came from absolutely nothing created a perfect universe without any help. And who says science has corridinated all that happens on Earth, maybe science itself has been corrdinated.

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It's true that origins of our past are unfounded. No one can argue that. Where we differ is on thow that came to be. With new scientific discovery being made every day, I chose that route seeing that it was the best for potential growth and development.
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Originally posted by fractus.scud fractus.scud wrote:

I don't see how a big bang, that came from absolutely nothing created a perfect universe without any help.

Then I encourage you to read some more.  It really isn't that complicated, and the evidence really is quite compelling. 

Instead of just listening to people tell you how evolution/big bang couldn't have happen, actually read more about it and learn.

Quote says science has corridinated all that happens on Earth, maybe science itself has been corrdinated.

Huh?



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