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How is earthquakes, floods, tornados, famines, sunamis, plagues.... mankind's fault?

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i could see famines, but nothing Earth related.
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I am not talking about modern day famines, I am talking about when technology wasnt as good as it is now and not everyone had enough to eat.

If Freewill is truly free, then God should except the fact that people will chose not to worship him and punish them for it.

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

How is earthquakes, floods, tornados, famines, sunamis, plagues.... mankind's fault?


When was our last honest to god famine or plauge? Natural disaster are part of how the earth works. We are just in the way. The world is a toilet because of our deeds. Pakistan, Honk Kong(the Walled City) projects, these places exist because of the inequities of the masses. We have things set in place to manage earthquakes, floods, tornados, famines, sunamies and plagues. What we dont know how to take car of is our brothers and sisters, we do nothing when evil men kill thousands, we do nothing when corporations rob men and women, we do nothing when a rich man, shuts down parts of his company, outsources the labor and cripples an antire town. But it isnt our fault these things happen, they shouldnt happen in the first place. The reason they do, is because we dont care about our brothers and sisters as we should.
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That's taking a pretty broad view of "we"...

So it's ok that infants die from preventable disease, because it is the fault of other humans?

All humans are liable for the faults of all other humans?

That's pretty brutal...

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What I am saying, is that the world can be a bit of a toilet because people are greedy. Hospitals charge 150 for a vaccination, 40 for an ace bandage. Its crap. My sister was in a car accident and was in the hospital 2 days. 14,000 dollar bill. It sucks. Its because of greed. If people would watch out for others more, the world would be a better place. For instance, how many bad hippie convents are there?
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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

That's taking a pretty broad view of "we"...

So it's ok that infants die from preventable disease, because it is the fault of other humans?

All humans are liable for the faults of all other humans?

That's pretty brutal...

Mixed agreement.

Where is Honk Kong? Is it next to Donkey Kong? King Kong? Ping Pong? Ding Dong? Sing a Song?


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Floods and crap are going to happen. It's part of how the Earth works. They have to happen, if they didn't God wouldn't have made them. The problem is we build in places we shouldn't be building. Take Florida for example, why the heck do they allow them to build mobil homes and houses not suitible to ride out a Category 2 hurricane? Why do people build shacks on unstable mountain where it rains a lot? Mobil homes in tornado alley? I mean common. Most of these deaths could have been prevented by the commen sense of not building ultra weak buildings in areas prone to catastrophic forces.

Blaming everything on God is taking the easy way out. God gives us challenges in life. He does this, and said he does it to weed out the true believers from the non believers and imposters like people who say I'm Catholic (but really haven't been to Church in years for no reason) And look around, there is still plenty of good stuff God has given us, don't be so pessimistic. "His covenant my shield" Yeah crap will happen, but God will help us move on.


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Humor me some more...

Why is Prostate Cancer for men and Breast/Ovarian cancer for women their faults or the fault's of mankind?

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Not what i said.
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Okay what is God's answer for creating it or allowing it to exist.

Also I dont think there is a single location on this earth that isnt threatened by some form of enviromential distaster. Even if there are it certianly wont fit 6 billion people.

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It's not heir faults, it's part of being humans, and immortals. How 'bout this story. A young kid living near me got severely ill from cancer and other sicknesses. He ended going into what should've been permenant coma. He came out of it, and for months lived, enjoying every second he had. He prayed not for himself, but for his friends and family. He said. He took the illness he knew would soon kill him as "his challenge of faith" He remained loyal to God, saying he knew God was not punishing him, and even though he knew he would die still prayed to God. He died last week. He remained loyal to God even through the hardest times, much harder times than any of us here have ever been through, yet he remained faithful. He sayed God gave me the strength to live for as long as he did, whch was many months more than any docter thought he'd live. God gave him the ultimate challenge, and he passed. I'm sure he is in Heaven now.

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There is no why i could give you for any of gods actions.
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Sounds like [to me atleast] God isnt very fair if he makes some people's lives harder than others....

Why isnt everyone given the ultimate challege to prove their faith?

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Actually those who have easy lives are facing just as hard a test. They have nothing to worry about, and many of them see no reason to worship God or anything. Each person has his/her unique challenges. Some harder than others yes, but our challenges normally go against our faults.


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Bad things happen, but not to prove your faith. You prove your faith by believing. Its in the valleys that we grow. By this i mean. In our lives, we have highs, and we have lows. Times that are easy and times that are hard. These hard times are the valleys, valleys are full of growth, full of life. Hard times are the time when we learn most about ourselves, if your whole live is sheltered, free of pain, what kind of life is that? What kind of person would you be. You are who you are because of the tough times you have been through.

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There actually wouldn't be any troubles in the world if man hadn't sinned in the first place. God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge but they did. Because they disobeyed they were punished and forced out of the garden. That's why we have sin and all the other troubles in our lives. Because of the sins of man not because of God.
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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

There is no why i could give you for any of gods actions.

Why is it that Christians are quick to give praise to god when something good happens, but give the old "god moves in mysterious ways" excuse when something bad happens?

If god gets the credit, he should also get the blame.  Both or neither.

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Sounds like [to me atleast] God isnt very fair if he makes some people's lives harder than others....

Why isnt everyone given the ultimate challege to prove their faith?

They are-it's called life. Most people forget that God set the world in motion and lets man deal with it. Man sinned the Garden of Eden, man and his race were given the world in all of its fury. Our bodies are fallible. We live-we die. God promised Adam and Eve that they would be mortals. Which means that death happens. And if you want to get into technicals-more babies are killed by abortions than natural causes. There have been more babies killed by abortion since RoeVWade than Jews in the holocaust. Look it up. I'm not advocating or protesting the subject of abortion-I'm simply saying man does more to himself than God "allows". A tsunami is a part of nature-so are droughts and famines. God said that would happen. Man chose sin over eternal life in the Garden of Eden. We're simply along for the ride.

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