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Serisouly, people need to get it through their thick heads that having differnt names, "african" american or "irish" amercan, just adds to segregation.

Everyone here is american, no matter what. You should only be "African" american if you MOVE from africa... and ONLY THEN.

We don't move to china and called an American chinaman, do we?
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So, Bugg/Impulse - Have you made an honest (and I mean HONEST) effort to understand why it is that some people prefer to be called "X-American", or did you jump straight to "don't like it"?

When people feel strongly about this type of thing, there is usually a reason...

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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

So, Bugg/Impulse - Have you made an honest (and I mean HONEST) effort to understand why it is that some people prefer to be called "X-American", or did you jump straight to "don't like it"?


When people feel strongly about this type of thing, there is usually a reason...

Well, i could say the same thing about Limp Bizkit... but people could care less clark.

yes, clark, I did try and understand, it's about their historya nd their heritage, but it just adds to further seperation. period.

I'm not against it couse I'm some 16 y/o republican thats for war, I'm against it becasue I think at this time in our history, it's mor eimportant for our country to stand together and not seprate.

I mean, I am only seperated from Europe by one generation.

I have a lot of Black Foot indian in me, yet I don't say "Call me a Eurpopean Black Foot American" couse that would be dumb. We are all americans, as long as you are a citizen that is. If you aren't happy enough to just call yourself an American, leave.



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Lesbians aren't a race/ethnic group...
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Bugg, aren't you being more harmful to freedom by trying to make everyone go through a cookie cutter process and make us all "generic Americans"? Sounds like communism to me, no one different and everyone equal.

Our differences are what makes us special, Bugg. Our acceptance of this is what makes our country worth fighting for. If everyone thought we should be the same, we would be in a sad place indeed.
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Supposedly my cousin 13 times removed was the Williams guy that founded Rhode Island, yay.  But I am like 1/8 German, 2/8 Irish, 1/2 English, 1/8 Native American and other stuff.

Yea, I skipped all of the pages, didn't realize this was a debate.


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Originally posted by Dazed Dazed wrote:

Bugg, aren't you being more harmful to freedom by trying to make everyone go through a cookie cutter process and make us all "generic Americans"? Sounds like communism to me, no one different and everyone equal.



Holy contradictions batman! If each and every single citizen is equal...why would they want a title added to their name to distinguish them from others? Doesn't make much sense to me, that if a person wants to be seen just as everyone else, treated equally and whatnot, but then they add something to their title, and ask for certain benifits. That's not equality, thats an attempt at superiority (in some cases, by no means all cases, at all)

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I'm confused, Choopie. Are you talking about communists, republicans, or both?

I honestly don't know if you're agreeing with me, or trying to argue a point that I'm missing. Who is adding titles and whatnot?
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Yes? I don't know, it just bugs me when a group of people are saying that all they want is equality...then they ask for tons of special priviledges. I know things happened in the past, but no-one will ever get over them/ obtain true equality if they keep bringing it up. Multiple groups do this.
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The point here, as best I can tell, isn't groups that want equality, but groups that want to keep their identity. The "no one different and everyone equal" comment was more in reference to old soviet communism and its eerie similarities to Bugg's America. One where everyone does everything for the good of Mother Rus--, er...the united states.
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Well as the U.S.A. is right now, it's operating in a rather socialist manner. Look at the size of the military, and the budget... a pretty socialist move. We talk about this junk in history all the time
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Idiot.

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Originally posted by Bugg Bugg wrote:



We don't move to china and called an American chinaman, do we?

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Originally posted by Dazed Dazed wrote:

The point here, as best I can tell, isn't groups that want equality, but groups that want to keep their identity. The "no one different and everyone equal" comment was more in reference to old soviet communism and its eerie similarities to Bugg's America. One where everyone does everything for the good of Mother Rus--, er...the united states.
Last I checked, I was part of the right wing.. socialism is the left wing, EXTREME left wing. I take offense that I was used in the sentence as Communist Russia. Just becasue I want everyone to be treated equal doesn't mean I'm a socialist, it just means, get over it, you're in the US now
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You can take offense all you like, Bugg, but that is still what you are sounding like...   essentially you are objecting to people protecting their individuality, and you are encouraging an "everybody is the same" mentality.  That's pretty darn communist.
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Wouldnt it be American-Chinese, not American-Chinaman?

Doesnt sound so silly now does it?
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^^^ I dunno hades

Not quite Clark. I'm not saying don't have an ethnic background. But don't go around saying "call me an african/chinese/irish american."

If you are in America and are a citizen, you are american. Period. No debates, not loop holes, no nothing.

Like I stated before, you don't move to a different country and call yourself an American (country)
I've never heard of American chinese
american irish
american english (name, not language)
american south african

I'm fine with different heritages, that's what makes our countyr great, a mixing bowl. But if you promote seperations by area of heritage, you in essence, promote seperation of our people.

Not everyone is the same, I don't know anyone else likes Hades, don't know anyone else like you clark, everyone is different.

BUT, you are still american, no matter how much hades wants to be from hell

You are still american no matter where your family is from, I'm part german, english, black foot, inuit, and a bunch of other stuff. But it would be weird if I called my self an "English German Black Foot Inuit American"

I'ts one thing to say you are of irish desent (sp) it's another to jus go around saying, and in essense, rubbing it in everyones face, where your family, not you, is from.
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I don't think anybody is saying "don't call me 'American'".

If black people want to be called "African-American" it isn't instead of "American" - it's instead of some other term to specifically denote their skin color.  That doesn't make them any less Americans.

When Irish-Americans go nuts on St. Patrick's day, they are all "Irish-Americans" or just "Irish".  Then, the next day, they go back to being "American".

It's all about context.  When in France, I don't expect that a lot of black Americans will introduce themselves as "Hi - I'm African-American".  They are simply American.  But when discussing race issues on NPR (or whatever), then suddenly "African-American" is quite relevant.

Walking around on the street with a sign that said "English German Black Foot Inuit American" would be strange, yes.  But wearing that same sign during this discussion (or in that other thread you started), for instance, makes perfect sense.

You are incorrectly comparing "African-American" to "American".  Those two terms are not inconsistent.  The correct comparison is "African-American" to "black" or "negro" or "colored" or "nig.ger".  These are all terms used to address a very specific feature of a very specific group, and is quite relevant when discussing that feature or the group.  And doesn't it make sense that members of the group should be the ones to decide what they want to be called?

Your name is "Bugg" - at least here.  I could, I guess, decide that I think that is a silly name, and start calling you "Bilbo", for instance.  I might argue how "Bugg" is spelled incorrectly, and doesn't accurately describe you.  Would that be appropriate?  Of course not.  YOU chose your name, because it is YOUR name.  It isn't for me to decide what YOUR name should be.

Similarly, should black people get to decide what they want to be called?  Isn't a bit presumtuous for white folk to decide what black people should be called?



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Originally posted by impulse2 impulse2 wrote:

So why are black people called African American? Not everyone is Africa is black. A lot of South African people are white.
To make little racist rednecks cry and whine on internet forums.

So for now on I want to be addressed Irish American.
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I think American should be considered a new ethnic race, because Americans are the most diverse people on the planet, and it is starting to get confusing. Take me for example, I am an Anglo-German-Finnish-Scottish-French-Indian-American, so what do I put for my ethnenticity? For this reason I believe that any American citizen who’s family has lived in this country for at least four generations, and is a Heinz 57 like me, I believe that they’re ethnenticity should be considered American and nothing else.

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