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Originally posted by tippynewb tippynewb wrote:

can u just use one for looks like the big machine gun ends? i tried and it didn't change the sound at all

 

Dunno if anyone said anything about this but the "big machine gun ends" are to help eliminate flash, unless your talking about the thing that goes all the way up and down that has holes in it, thats to help disipate heat.

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Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:



There you go, did you all hear that

$50,000/5yr prison fine + court/Lawyer cost, if you get caught with a unregistered Silencer
You've been warned.


Consider yourselves owned.

 

you are an idiot...

repeat threads may be cloggin up the forum but repeat posts are too...

who gives a flying **edited** about your post it has been said numerous times...

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First, did everyone see that he was talking about FAKE silencers?

Second, He was also asking about PVC piping for it and in most cases the large internal diameter of the silencer tube would make a homemade PVC pipe silencer not work on a firearm (though remember that some states classify airguns / paintball markers as firearms and then it would be a firearm silencer in that state).

But as was also mention, for most markers, the noise of the bolt cycling is as loud as the report of the air release. The guys the original poster noted were using pump markers and can minimize this noise, making a silencer effective for them, but usually ineffective for others.

I own 2 PVC silencers, but never use them. Why? No I'm not worried about them being ruled as illegal, particularly after talking to an ATF agent who had been part of the local office's firearms team for a few years. I don't use them for two reasons:

  • They are big, heavy and bulky.
  • I don't think it does enough to justify reason #1, though that may be design flaw since I remember friend's store bought silencers in the old days working better.

Now, I said I talked to the ATF agent and I am also not worried abotu them for two reasons:

  • He said that really isn't a concern of the ATF, even in post-9/11 America. Yes its a law, but such a minor issue in the face of real problems like automatic weapons (real ones).
  • I don't think they would count as a silencer anyway because I don't think they even reduce half the sound of my paintball marker. And even if it could be adapted to a real weapon, it would do less good on it than on my paintball marker.

So what did I do? took off my stock barrel and put a ported J&J Ceramic barrel on my SL-68. No more silencer attaching by my own choice.

Edit - And FYI, you can buy fake silencers for several Tippmann markers from some of the Mil-Sim dealers.



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Go to this website!

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it is hard to make working silencers for paintball because what they do is let the hot gas from firing a round expand in a controlled environment. the gasses used in paintball are not hot enough to need to be controlled, and the sound coming from your gun is made by the cycling of the bolt and whatnot. so a working silencer is unnecessary. a rwal silencer can be made extremely easily with household materials, but you wont get true silencing abilities unless you use a subsonic round. supersonic rounds such as 9mm parabellum are difficult to suppress, unless extensive mods are made to the gun, such as the HK MP5 SD. the other thing that defeats silencing is the cycle of the gun, i.e. the opening of the breech in order to load a new round. the m1911 has a slide lock, keeping the breech closed but you will have to manually cock it after every shot to chamber a new round. the m1911 also uses the 45. acp round, which is subsonic, and threaded barrels are easy to find for the gun if you know where to look. but paintball silencer? why bother? 
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Originally posted by LordJovian LordJovian wrote:

Jesus. Under the ATF desrciption of a silencer, everyone here without a flatline has a silencer on their gun. It's called PORTING.
Actually, no it doesnt. Porting is not illegal because it can not be used on a firearm.

So stop saying that.

From the ATF website
Here's the copy from the FAQ from the BATF web site:

Quote (A9) Q. Are Paintball and/or Airgun Sound Suppressers legal? [Back]

A. §921(a)(24) The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for
silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any
combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or
fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such
assembly or fabrication.

Numerous paintball silencers tested by the Firearms Technology Branch have been
determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers as defined in 18
U.S.C., Section 921(a)(24). An individual wishing to manufacturer a firearm silencer must
receive prior approval from ATF by submitting an ATF Form 1 and paying a $200 making
tax.

If I have any further questions as to this classification, who should I contact?

Please send a written request to our Firearms Technology Branch at the following address:

Bureau of ATF
Firearms Technology Branch
650 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Room 6450
Washington, DC 20226

The URL for the above on the BATF website:
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm


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Quote Porting on a barrel is not considered a “Silencer” since it is integral with the structure of
the barrel and the “Porting” obviously can’t be modified for a Firearm and is not portable, Yes, I
know there are quite ported barrels out there, but porting in the barrels cannot be transported to
or adapted from the paint barrel to a true firearm. It sounds like silly splitting of hairs and very
obvious to you and I, but, the Distinction is VERY important to Governmental types, and is the
difference between a $50,000 fine and/or 5yrs in a Federal prison.



There you go, did you all hear that

$50,000/5yr prison fine + court/Lawyer cost, if you get caught with a unregistered Silencer
You've been warned.


Consider yourselves owned.


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You can build a silencer out of anything. Cardboard even if you so choose too- all you need is a chamber with a larger volume and some holes on the outside of it for the gas to expand. Learn what things do first before trying to make something- otherwise, it will end up working poorly if even at all.
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Originally posted by Whitelightinin Whitelightinin wrote:

and they used the silencers, so I don't mean to sound like a dumb noob but they were using them so they might not be illegal in certain areas

People do illegal things.

Also, search please. Repeat threads are clogging the forum

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thanks for the help stormcharger

 

kinda sad it took all that just for an answer

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Well if your not worried about the legal hassle, then yes you can build a silencer out of PVC.  Its acctually very simple.  Take a piece of 1" or 1 1\4" depending on your barrels diameter, cut it to the length you want and then cut 1\2" holes in it all down its length.  Then you will need another length of PVC to cover the first usually 2" or 2 1\2".  Now simply fill the void between the tubes with an absorbant material.  I use Scotch Bright pads(they're easier to clean), but you can use just about anything, even a towel.

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Jesus. Under the ATF desrciption of a silencer, everyone here without a flatline has a silencer on their gun. It's called PORTING. And, instead of ghetto rigging a silencer for your A-5, http://www.endgameinc.com/

And some states classify a paintball marker as a firearm (it shoots projectiles faster than you can throw).
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Originally posted by tippynewb tippynewb wrote:

can u just use one for looks like the big machine
gun ends? i tried and it didn't change the sound at all



A "Fake" suppressor that does not muffle the sound of a firearm or
paintball gun is NOT illegal. What does make it illegal is if it is a
functioning suppressor and will muffle the report of a firearm.

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Originally posted by Jonsblckhwk Jonsblckhwk wrote:

uh...i live in the middle of nowhere...

you can and do get away with anything here...

the police are useless unless it comes to harassing people

lol thats pretty cool...
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uh...i live in the middle of nowhere...

you can and do get away with anything here...

the police are useless unless it comes to harassing people

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I'd go ahead and try it, it looks cool sometimes, and does its job, but adds a lot of weight.  I used one on my sl-68 II before, and it works great, especially since the stock barrel has no porting at all.  It's up to you if you want to risk getting caught, just to make your gun a little bit quieter though.
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ok you are not getting it...

regardless of the reprocussions what if someone wanted one???

i know its hard to beleive but not everybody follows EVERY law

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can u just use one for looks like the big machine gun ends? i tried and it didn't change the sound at all

 

stupidity should hurt
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If it's just a piece of plastic tubing stuck over the endo f your barrel, you could probably show any cop that it's fake.

And again, they are federally restricted by the BATF, and there are also state laws. For those that want to argue it, you have internet access. Go to the BATF's website and read their FAQ. They have an answer there. If you think they are stupid, call and ask them, spend some money on getting a lawyers opinion, and if you still don't agree that they are illegal, put up or shut up. By that I mean, become a test case. Make or buy one, and get arrested for having/using it. Go through the court prodeceedings, and the appeals. After you bankrupt yourself, you might have the regs changed. Good luck with that.
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Originally posted by Psyrecx Psyrecx wrote:

Yea, I've found many online companies selling suppressors. I was shopping around for a new handgun and one of the only places you can buy them requires you to order one of their suppressors with it.

Read the "Buying Suppressor Info" it will tell you where they are legal and how to aquire them

http://www.lauerweaponry.com/index.cfm?Category=160&Subc at=Carbon%20Fiber%20P22

They also carry some nice gun paint if you need any.

What, this again???

OK, one more time for those who have not been paying attention.

Silencers and suppressors are illegal if they reduce the sound of a firearm by mre than half AND if they can be adapted for use on a firearm.  This means that even though a paintball gun is not a firearm, some silencers\suppressors can be made that will work on a real firearm.  You can however legally own a silencer.  It requres that detailed plans or sample be sent to the ATF for inspection and approval and if approved a $200 tax be paid for each item.  You can avoid the $200 tax if your design can be shown to be unuseable on a real firearm, but it still need to go the ATF for approval and certification.  Your local law enforcement will be unlikely to know the difference between a real silencer and a fake one, so you will need some sort of official documentation to avoid siezure and/or a ticket.

Now, given the amount of hassel, do you really NEED a silencer for your paintball gun?   

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Because it can be adopted to a firearm.
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