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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:29pm |
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My point is that on the street and on the track, cars are rarely ever organized by the numbers of cylinders they have. That is just some lame excuse that I always hear from ricers. If you don't like getting walked by a car with more cylinders then either mod up or get a car that was meant to be fast.
It depends on what your Maximas are racing and I really doubt they're going against true performance designed vehicles. Its a damn sedan afterall (it runs 15s stock...right where some of the trucks are). To simply say that because a car wins against some other car it is therefore a good race car is foolish. Maximas have their place, but it is not on the strip or the track.
Like I tried to tell you before, RWD is ideal for drag racing...I wonder why top fuel dragsters are RWD and not FWD? Hmm...maybe its because FWD suffers from wheel-hop and therefore **edited**ty 60' times? Read: Here and here.
I already addressed this.
No he doesn't, not by a long shot (not if his suspension is stock). Its too bad that 350Zs don't put out 300hp either. DBiBeau is not stock, he either has some awesome boltons or he ordered a stage 2 kit from MOPAR (this is probably the case). Edited by Variable |
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DBibeau855
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:36pm |
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My brother took some parts out of the car and had them acid washed, gave it a more agresive power band, the suspension is not stock, coil overs, sway bars, strut bars. Suspension is not stock. There is also a better LSD.
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:39pm |
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You're not still on the stock turbo are you? Any 1/4 times?
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:42pm |
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Nope not stock turbo. There is a stage 3 turbo system in there. New intercooler and whatnot. But the HP aside, my favorite things on there are the HKS RFL blow off valve and the turbo timer.
No quarter mile times yet, im not taking it to the track any time soon, my brother wants to go with me when i do, so im going to have to take it down to florida, this weekend im gonna go to the race shop and take some pictures and post them. Its kinda neat, some of yall might get a kick out of it. Edited by DBibeau855 |
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:47pm |
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Chrysler came up with some really good ideas when they designed the
SRT-4, where else can you get a new turbo for your car that comes with
a tuned computer and a warranty? Now if GM would just offer head
and cam packages with a warranty (I can do over 400rwhp with just
headers and h/c).
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:50pm |
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Whats nice as well, right out of the factory, the car sounds beutiful. If you are talking about their staged kits, no one else does that, maybe NISMO, but im not sure, but im very proud of dodge. But if you want to talk chrysler, i like that roadster thing, and that exotic they just made. The thing has 4 turbochargers in it...
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Zesty
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Posted: 28 April 2005 at 8:42am |
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Varibale, this is from the forum you linked me to:
"well in drag racing, AWD owns the launch, while RWD overall in considered superior once you start pushing 4 digits in the hp department because of its top end and ease of repair and strengthening. FWD is a distant last in the drag scene. On highway pulls, RWD and FWD are just about even unless your once again pushing like 600hp and lose traction on a fwd going 60mph, then RWD, but they are about the same. AWD is a close 3rd in this category. When it comes to handling, it really depends. your average driver will say fwd because they are inexperienced, and FWD is the best for thier skills, once you see professionals tho its AWD on the dirt and generally RWD on the pavement (drifting around a 180 degree turn for example) In extreme conditions such as snow and mud for daily driving etc, AWD is king with FWD in second and RWD a very distant 3rd. " I will give you that you are right on a lot of the things you say, but you try and make it seem like RWD has all the advantages. I actually think you are incorrect in your assumptions...these guys are talking about 1000+HP vehicles! I am talking about more everyday driving type cars. |
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Posted: 28 April 2005 at 9:08am |
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When comparing similar-sized engines, Nissan is pretty hard to beat.
The line about me calling the Max a good racecar was a joke, stop picking a fight with every comment I make! Seriously, you sound someone who got eaten up by a Nissan so you come here to bash me for showing the slightest support...you seem to have a hang up. But the fact is, it is a sedan that is made for transporting people in comfort...just the fact that it's out there running with these boys should make them wonder. Either way, that's why Nissan offers the Sentra Spec-v, 240SX, 300ZX, 350Z, and Skyline.....so once you're done beating that Maxima with your engine that's 2X the displacement, you can step up tp the real Nissan challenge!
"well in drag racing, AWD owns the launch, while RWD overall in considered superior once you start pushing 4 digits in the hp department because of its top end and ease of repair and strengthening. FWD is a distant last in the drag scene. On highway pulls, RWD and FWD are just about even unless your once again pushing like 600hp and lose traction on a fwd going 60mph, then RWD, but they are about the same. AWD is a close 3rd in this category. When it comes to handling, it really depends. your average driver will say fwd because they are inexperienced, and FWD is the best for thier skills, once you see professionals tho its AWD on the dirt and generally RWD on the pavement (drifting around a 180 degree turn for example) In extreme conditions such as snow and mud for daily driving etc, AWD is king with FWD in second and RWD a very distant 3rd. " So while I see your point about RWD being better than I'd made it out to be, you overstate it's effectiveness greatly....it's not the be-all, end-all. Nor is it the "best". And just FYI, I know you're a hater, but the new 350Z is indeed 300HP and about 280torque....all VQ-series, V6 engine! |
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Posted: 28 April 2005 at 9:11am |
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I see where you are right, and you are wrong. You have taughe some things so I respect you for that, even if you are a Nissan hater!
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Posted: 28 April 2005 at 6:11pm |
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I never heralded RWD as the overall best drivetrain configuration, only
that it is the most balanced when racing from a stop. AWD cars
can't cut the awesome 60' times they are famous for without doing a
clutch dump near redline or else the wheels bog (EVO and WRX drivers
are notorious for this tactic). Also, parasitic power loss
approaches 25% in an AWD vehicle compared to the usually ~15% for a
manual RWD vehicle. They fly out of a hole pretty fast but around
60 or so they begin to run out of steam.
Wheel hop is a major problem for FWD cars even when they don't make 1000whp/tq. If the SRT-4s had RWD they could probably shave a few more tenths off their ET. Also stock for stock, the LS1 absolutely destroys the Spec V and 240sx, rapes a 300zx, and still walks the 350Zs. Modification for modification it only gets worse. It is hard to do a thorough comparison with the Skylines since not all of them can be driven in the U.S. without spending tons of money getting it converted. Most skylines aren't a problem for me except for the R34 (which is one hell of a car), but I'm almost positive it has to undergo almost $40,000 in conversions to be street legal in the U.S. My attack on the Maxima stemmed from how some people love to analyze sedans and hype them up as supercars, but maybe they are only exclusive to the area where I live (I get it from about 3 people on a daily basis). I see that this wasn't the case with you and I apologize. I also don't doubt that there are some Maximas that can take on an F-body, there is almost one car of every model that is running a 10 second 1/4 mile and sometimes less. I'll never forget the time when I watched Civic hatchback walk a Viper. Edited by Variable |
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Posted: 28 April 2005 at 6:38pm |
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My LT1 Camaro will walk away from a 350Z, let alone an LS1...350Zs are overrated. And FWD is horrible for drag racing, I have the experience to prove it. I ran my Camaro at the drags here just a couple of weeks ago; I'm a bit of a car freak. 12 grand for an LT1 WS6 seems kinda high, I only paid 11 for my 97 and it had 24,000 on it when I got it. Oh well, all to their own.
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Posted: 28 April 2005 at 6:57pm |
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My dad just bought a 2002 Chevy Avalanche Z66, they are sweet. I am 15 and my parents bought me a 1997 Jeep Wranlger Sahara with 167,998 miles for $5,500. Its fun to drive but is slow. My best friend got a 350Z, they are fast but when put up against a real american muscle car, they suck.
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Ahhh the welth of Automotive Unknologable people lol. RWD IS WAY better for take off that a FWD of ANY HP PERIOD. Heck i got a FWD VW GOLF diesel pumps a pathetic 50hp but its easy (dont even need to floor it) to brake the tires loose. Now i also have 230hp+ in my RWD pick up and REALLY gotta push it to just get the tires to even squak and its got NO wait in the back. To explain the reasoning behinde this is Simple. Its called WEIGHT TRANSFER. When you hit the accelerator on your car (no matter what Drive or HP) you get pushed BACK into you seat (assuming your driving in forward gear lol). Well JUST like you the vehicals weight is Shifted towards the rear of the vehical and the vehical Lurches (rear sinks and the nose rasies up. This EFFECTIVLY places MORE traction to the rear wheels. A FWD vehical would actually LOSE ALOT of traction due to this SAME Transfer of weight. I consider myself fairly auto knolageable as i am a Mehcanic for a living. Now i not gona get in on the debate on witch car wound win what or what can be fixed up to do what BUT i will say that there are MANY more factors in WINNING a race than simply the vehicals Power and einge. Dont forget the gearing, tires, weight, drive type, and even simply the weather conditions. P.S. And you CAN get anything to win a race i got a Vid of a 6200lbs Diesel pickup running a 11sec quarter mile and have seen a few vids of others hitting mid to high 10s. Edited by BearClaw |
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Posted: 28 April 2005 at 8:26pm |
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Yep. RWD rules
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