wow... discrimination at its finest

bravo Adminal Senn.

On the original topic: The group, from the little excerpt posted, does not seem to be a hate group, they simply want members to not sin. As somebody said, there aren't exactly huge numbers of diehard Christian homosexuals anyway.

And for the rest of this thread, as silly as it has been, I'll make it short and sweet, and those who want one of my semi-famous lecture posts can PM me.

Romans 1.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen.

   26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Before anyone starts the argument that God caused homosexuality, I advise doing some research.

Second: To those who want to know why we don't follow all the rules of the Old Testament:

Acts 15.

22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers. 23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul– 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

Basically, Gentiles should follow the rules about food sacrificed to idols, about eating blood, about eating strangled animals and from sexual immorality.

Third, as for my opinion on the whole 'homosexuality would destroy humanity' and so on...

I believe that if an act, should it be practiced by every single person on earth, would result in the destruction of the human race, it should be VERY CAREFULLY considered before being allowed into law. I won't go into the nature vs whatever bit, because that always turns into a debate.

Back on topic: This group is allowed to do what they have done. I think, procarbinefreak, you're being a tiny bit too sensitive (don't take this as an attack, think of it as constructive criticism). It doesn't even mean that homosexually oriented people can't join, they just can't be having homosexual sex/any other sex prohibited by their rules. Remember that by those rules, the other members are also abstaining from having sex, something many students find baffling and unthinkable. They ask nothing of homosexuals that they do not ask of themselves. There are in fact college students who don't have sex.

And by the way, 'drunkenness' doesn't mean not having alcohol, it simply refers to not being totally smashed. The Bible ENCOURAGES drinking of wine and so on, just in moderation.

Clark Kent wrote: Translation: I am a closed-minded bigot with no rational basis for my views that I refuse to change.

i never i could not tolelrate **edited**s, i said i don't agree with them. my cousin is **edited** and i still love him because he is family, i just don't agree with him. to set and call someone a bigot is a very harse statement in itself. i may not like someone i work with, but i try to tolerate them as long as they do the same for me. calling me a bigot is saying i hate **edited** people, but i don't just disagree with them, just like you disagree with me. but do you hate me? more than likely not.

I am Christian, but some of these "super religious christians" take it to far. I dont really care if somebody is **edited**, as long as their not hittin on me. But this is seriously taking there homophobia to far. They need to go to a private school if they want to do something like that.

yeap i guess so, you believe in your ways and i believe in mine. call me what you will words are only words.

Translation: I am a closed-minded bigot with no rational basis for my views that I refuse to change.

Reference passage?

Clark Kent wrote: Dazed - I'll have to dig it up, but doctrine is that the "uncleanliness" rules from the OT were overruled by Jesus. There is scripture to back that up. It does get a little tricky figuring out which rules exactly are effective and which are not, but there is some Biblical foundation for throwing out some of the old rules...

I know, something about dissolving the old covenant, and making a new one. Close to the time of the crucifiction, I think. I just figured that if he wanted to throw around old jewish laws as new christian teachings I could as well.

Jesus never really laid down that many laws himself. He pretty much just said to be good to one another, do your best, and respect god and his house. The apostles, however, were confining, and completely vague about most of it.

I think that was more politics and survival of the church than any godly decree, though.

This is really a lot like the KKK. Only its with the bible. I would think its completely legal, and as it is, there is discrimination every single day. Every time you park your car, there is discrimination, handicaped parking spaces. Not all discrimination is bad. Colleges discriminate CONSTANTLY, this is relativly insignificant.

Dazed - I'll have to dig it up, but doctrine is that the "uncleanliness" rules from the OT were overruled by Jesus.  There is scripture to back that up.

It does get a little tricky figuring out which rules exactly are effective and which are not, but there is some Biblical foundation for throwing out some of the old rules...