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you don't realize...no one cares about political threads except for 5 people on this forum...you contribute nothing to this forum but anger and politics...if you think we're too immature then find yourself a different forum

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2005 at 1:55pm
We're not a democracy? Wow, something else I've been lied to about all my life. I know how the elections run, and it sucks. If a cult coerices the majority of people into voting, that's who should win. Majority rules, like with almost everything else. If a cult wins public opinion....that doesn't make them a cult.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clark Kent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2005 at 2:05pm

While Bugg of course is wrong about almost everything he said about the electoral college, I agree with him that it is a good thing.

In my view, the electoral college structure, along with US Senators elected at the state level and Reps elected at the district level (as opposed to at large) preserves variety of representation that I believe is important.

Without the electoral college, for instance, I expect that 90% of presidential campaigning would be done in large cities, since any vote is as good as any other.  No presidential nominee would visit Iowa or Wisconsin ever again.

The US is a very wide and varied country.  I believe these structures make sure that this variety is represented, at least to some extent, in our government.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2005 at 2:07pm
I completely understand your argument Clark. I just tend to feel less of my vote when I know it doesn't actually count for much, especially if I live in a rural area with little population.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clark Kent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2005 at 2:10pm

Very true - a side effect of the electoral system is that some votes count more than others, and that can suck if you are in the "less" counted areas (which is most of the country).

But, to offset that, you get the benefit of the two-party system:  Even between elections, they are constantly readjusting to "fit" their constituency.  So even though your official vote is deeply discounted, your unofficial counts as much as you are willing to yell and complain.  I always figure that a letter to your congressman is worth hundreds of votes.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2005 at 2:11pm
Also very true. Good points. To each his own.
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technically, we are a democratic republic.  China is a "Republic", Britain is a Democracy
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Britain is a representative democracy, just as the US is.  They just have a parliamentary system instead of our republican system.

I do not believe there has EVER been, in the history of EVER, a single democracy that was not a representative democracy of some kind.  The first thing any democracy does is elect one or more leaders.

In a "pure" direct democracy, every decision would be decided by vote.  That is so silly as to defy logic.  As soon as the voters delegate decision-making authority to elected officials, you have a representative democracy.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cedric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2005 at 2:33pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

I have an idea. Maybe if we complain and **edited** enough, Bush will resign. **edited** off. No one gives a damn about your political threads anymore.

Don't stop there, the more edited words you have in your post, the more you'll be respected.


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Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

you don't realize...no one cares about political threads except for 5 people on this forum...you contribute nothing to this forum but anger and politics...if you think we're too immature then find yourself a different forum

Gee your first strike is flaming, what a surprise there. I don't think I need to contribute to your teen angst, it is smoldering hot without my input.What else would you have to hate this afternoon, if it weren't one of my political threads.

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Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:


Originally posted by goodsmitty goodsmitty wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

We have learned from the election in
2000....it actually doesn't matter who wins, it's who gets inaugurated
that matters.


The report tells me that my vote really doesn't matter, so why vote?
I am saving my vote for the local school levy from now on. The
presidential election is so rigged it's pathetic. Pathetically obvious.



God, its friggin April. Kerry lost. Bush won. Who gives a
damn? I'm not a Bush or Kerry supporter, they are both idiots.

OGM TEH LECTION ESH RIGGEDF!!!!!!! OH NOEZ.

Shut the hell up already.

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President George Bush won the election.  Get over it.  Senator John Kerry lost the election.  Get over it.  All you are doing GSmitty is bringing politics to the forum which turns into personal attacks and then nobody is happy.  There are many errors with that article, you are just trying to find some excuse as to why your favored candidate lost.  It actually makes you look like a two-year-old if you can't accept the fact that the leader of this country won fairly.  I wish you stop throwing your hissy fit soon. 

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Originally posted by goodsmitty goodsmitty wrote:

Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

you don't realize...no one cares about political threads except for 5 people on this forum...you contribute nothing to this forum but anger and politics...if you think we're too immature then find yourself a different forum

Gee your first strike is flaming, what a surprise there. I don't think I need to contribute to your teen angst, it is smoldering hot without my input.What else would you have to hate this afternoon, if it weren't one of my political threads.

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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

No presidential nominee would visit Iowa or Wisconsin ever again.


heh... Besides **edited** Chaney(sp) No president has even visited my State for Campaign's...
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Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

you don't realize...no one cares about political threads except for 5 people on this forum...you contribute nothing to this forum but anger and politics...if you think we're too immature then find yourself a different forum

 

Amazing post.

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Originally posted by Badsmitty Badsmitty wrote:

Originally posted by goodsmitty goodsmitty wrote:

Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

you don't realize...no one cares about political threads except for 5 people on this forum...you contribute nothing to this forum but anger and politics...if you think we're too immature then find yourself a different forum

Gee your first strike is flaming, what a surprise there. I don't think I need to contribute to your teen angst, it is smoldering hot without my input.What else would you have to hate this afternoon, if it weren't one of my political threads.

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O.K. no politics. 

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4.  I am beginning to grow hair in strange places, do you think girls will like me?

5.  I'm thinking of suicide because Menudo broke up.

6.  These guys are cool and I try to look like them:

You forgot:

7. Do you liek me?

8. Who'se your faverite former?

9. Check out my pad (no 56kers)

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I have no problem with political threads, but I can't stand to hear one more liberal wine about Bush winning and proposing things like this.

Whether he won or not, he is president.

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POst ur DEsktop #4-048]4-094. I changed 3 times in the past hour....

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OMG  This should be #1 in the dumbest topic poll if we had a dumbest topic poll.  I think most of the morons in the idea forum ave more sense than GS.
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Case Western Reserve University... not MIT, Harvard, or Brown though. I understand that an Associate Professor of Underwater Basket Weaving at the Community College of West Fargo concurs with his statistical findings. C-O-N~spiracy!!!!!!!
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