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Knight of Fire
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 2:52pm |
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This topic is getting outa hand. but end in end I stick to my opinions, terri should live....... EDIT: to good smittys: my bad thought you were making a attack against my religion. didn't know......sorry Edited by Knight of Fire |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 2:55pm |
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Let me ask you this, KoF: I have a document, carefully drafted and executed, that gives certain people the right to pull the plug on me if they deem appropriate, and actually DIRECTS them to do so if certain conditions are met. What is your view of this? If I go into a Schiavo-like state, and somebody shows up with the document and wants to disconnect me. Should I be disconnected?
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:09pm |
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Thats your opinion. if you did that, and you don't mind it at all, then fine thats your decision.
But with Terri, its unconfirmed if she said that, its also against her religion and her known atitude, and it turns out that the husband has flipflopped, in 1992 he was awarded 1,000,000 dollers in insurence money for the care of his wife, stating he would care for her untill she died from a natural death of old age or the like he now says he wants her dead... thats definetly a change from what he said in 92 |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:12pm |
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I still doesn't understand how voting for a presidential candidate is relevant.. it's not like either candidate is perfect, and nobody said they were (minus some loonies). It certainly doesn't call for remarks like the one I quoted.
And Clark: I know this wasn't directed at me, but what the hey. I'm uncomfortable with that idea. On the one hand, it is your wish, but on the other, it's essentially euthanasia (again). Let me do some pondering. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:14pm |
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It is not an easy issue. But you might think of it as delayed-action suicide instead of euthanasia, if that helps. But let me tell you - that document was the easy part. The hard part was being named as the decision-maker on a similar document for somebody else. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:18pm |
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Well, practically every judge in Florida has looked at this by now, as well as a variety of Federal judges. They presumably see more evidence than you or I. They all agree that this is what Teri wanted. Shouldn't we at some point trust our judiciary, or at least the people with the most information, to make these decisions? This is what they do, after all. This is exactly the type of thing we as a society have entrusted in them. It is a bit hypocritical of us to rely on the courts when it suits us but reject the courts when we don't like their decisions. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:21pm |
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I'm not attacking you personally, I'm lumping you in with the rest of the pro-life brow-beaters. Death is O.K. when you are in charge of the selection line. Flame away, I won't tell, I promise. Edited by Badsmitty |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:24pm |
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ok but at the same time, the judges in florida have no right to even tell Govener Jeb Bush to buzz off, they can't do so to also congress and the president. It is written in the LAW
also the court has said that the husband can remove the feeding tube, however maybe the husband might want to read the fine print, He can not with hold food or water from her. which from the family seeing if its possible, Terri can eat normaly and drink water with little to no problem....... EDIT: badsmitty In your post you wrote this and I quote "Ooh a pro-life war president supporter named knight of fire. I gotta lay off Zesty's dope. The world is so confusing." in that first sentence you are personally attacking me buddy. So what if I supported Bush, who I supported in the elections DOESN'T MEAN CRAP IN THIS TOPIC! Edited by Knight of Fire |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:29pm |
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I don't know where to start. Well, I'll start here. Some media reports claim she isn't vegetative and some claim she is. Another thing, not all of the doctors who have seen her claim she is vegetative. There are plenty who claim she is not vegetative. And, yes once again the government has managed to manipulate me using a web of lies and false information in conjunction with subliminal messaging (complete sarcasm, what a load of BS). Muscle memory and breathing patterns? Are you serious? It must be the hugest coincidence in the world if those breathing patterns and muscle memories can come together to form relavent responses when certain things are said. I doubt it. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:30pm |
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Short of mobilizing the National Guard, like Jon Gibson of FOX News has suggested, the court has effectively told Jeb to buzz off. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:31pm |
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I am just asking this out of curiosity Clark. Does that mean you don't think we should have a system of appeals in our judiciary system? |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:32pm |
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To badsmitty: but they can't its written down in the law books buddy.......
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:33pm |
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What's the attack? Are you, or are you not, a pro-life war president supporter named knight of fire? |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:33pm |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:52pm |
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You are 100% wrong. It is Jeb and Congress who have no right to try to override the courts. The courts are enforcing Florida law, the way it was passed by the Florida legislature. The legislature cannot now change its mind and say "that's not what we meant" - they can change the law if they want, but until they change it, the law is the law, and it is the court's job to enforce it. Jeb Bush has absolutely no business sticking his nose in this AT ALL. Congress has even less right to get involved - this is a matter of state law, and has nothing to do with the federal government. Congress' involvement in this process was an abomination. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:56pm |
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Now buddy, if it was in there, I'm sure that those judges would have seen it at least once during the 23 times they've had it brought before them. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 3:58pm |
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Not at all. The appellate courts are part of the system. Let me restate my point: It is hypocritical of us to rely on the judicial system when we like the result, but to try to override the judicial system when we don't like the results. I certainly support Teri's parents' right to appeal all the way through the Florida courts. That is what those courts are for. What I don't approve of are the attempts by Congress, Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature to essentially change the rules midstream. We have rules for this. You can change the rules if you don't like the rules. You can NOT change the rules because you don't like a particular outcome. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 4:02pm |
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Clark is right, it's very hypocritical. This is such a huge deal...yet executions stay legal. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 8:27pm |
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I am sure that John Gibson will be leading the way with his manicured hands and silky smooth projector screen forehead. He is hawd too.
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 8:31pm |
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Understandable. I too am a Christian (struggling with it right now), and I have a hard time with the popular movement that cries about pulling out a woman's feeding tube who didn't want it in the first place, cries about abortion, but cheer in the office each time a bomb lands in Baghdad.
When it becomes evident that the goals of the GOP are not the same as the popular Christian movement, it is going to get ugly. I will be eating popcorn.
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