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    Posted: 10 March 2005 at 9:11am

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts were on the subject. Personally, I think its a racist program that has kept some very smart white students out of good schools in favor of their "less advantage minority" classmates. I personally have been screwed by this program, as I was rejected by my top choice school but a classmate of mine got in.  Now don't all start flaming and calling me a racist, hear me out.

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Interview: Mine- I went and was told by the interviewer that I would make an "excellent fit at MIT". His- He didn't go to his interview...

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Now what you must understand is that he does not come from some "poor, disadvantaged minority family living in the ghetto." No, he comes from a middle class family living in new jersey suburbia. And as for being a minority, my school was 50% black, 20% white, and 30% hispanic, asian, and indian. So don't give me that minority crap.

I was pretty bummed when I got rejected, but when I found out that he stole my space, I was furious. And he knew why he got in. He even said to me, "Come on, you know you never really had a chance." F that buddy, I'm better and you know it... 

Anyone else feel strongly about Affirmative Action, either for or against it? If you're just gonna post flaming stuff or meaningless statement, don't bother. Please.

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I agree with you, I hate racists and racism in any form, and so they need to judge people by there abilities not color. I hate it when people accuse people who share this opinion of being racists because we are not, I want all people who have the ability to go to college to go, but only if they do have the ability.



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meh.... its just reverse racism... everyone is just too politically correct. 


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I realized the same thing years ago.  I'm 16.
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It isnt always about your GPA...

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

It isnt always about your GPA...

Yes, I know that. But when your GPA is better, SAT's are higher, have a plethera of extracurricular activities (compared to none), and actually show up to your interview, I think that would start to matter.

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Now you know to apply to more than one college at a time... Try looking into a community college to get your start.

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Now you know to apply to more than one college at a time... Try looking into a community college to get your start.
Its messed up that it happen but thats life. 
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I think it's stupid too, if someone is qualified, they're qualified. Everyone is fighting to be treated equally, by asking for special treatment.....thats not equal... Every time I bring it up someone rants on about stuff that happened way back so I just shut up.
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Yeah your right it is stupid.  Its just like getting a job.  The more qualified white guy wont get the job if they need "minority".  Hopefully one day all this will be changed and equal will really mean equal. 

Until then I'll just reek in the benefits.

 

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Now you know to apply to more than one college at a time... Try looking into a community college to get your start.

This was 3 years ago. I did apply to a bunch more schools, and got accepted into all of them. I had to take my second choice, but I'm very happy with where I'm at. I'm now at RPI, one of the top engineering schools in the country. Like I said, I'm happy with it, I just wish that I wasn't forced out of my top choice by racism.

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okay wait...you are **edited**ing about something that happened three years ago?  Wow...I feel sorry for anyone who has ever wronged you.

 

Now, about the affermative action thing...its total bull**edited**.  It doesn't matter what skin color you are, if youre black and smarter than a white guy than you should go to college, if you're white and smarter than a black guy then that guy should go to college...

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Racism, rriigghhtt....

Good job spotting that one, Enstien.

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Racism, rriigghhtt....

Good job spotting that one, Enstien.

Well, I can tell which way you lean...

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Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

okay wait...you are **edited**ing about something that happened three years ago?  Wow...I feel sorry for anyone who has ever wronged you.

nah, I just wanted to bring up the subject of racism, I mean affirmative action. In order to explain why I feel so strongly about it, I needed to tell the whole story. Its not like I sit at home every night plotting the doom of this kid. I stopped doing that months ago....

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Originally posted by MattyJ MattyJ wrote:

Originally posted by rockerdoode rockerdoode wrote:

okay wait...you are **edited**ing about something that happened three years ago?  Wow...I feel sorry for anyone who has ever wronged you.

nah, I just wanted to bring up the subject of racism, I mean affirmative action. In order to explain why I feel so strongly about it, I needed to tell the whole story. Its not like I sit at home every night plotting the doom of this kid. I stopped doing that months ago....

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we were talking about that in class today it is mess up and there realy isnt much you can do i feel sorry for u


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I think affirmative action is stupid. It serves no point but to make distinctions between black and white. Since we are all equal, why aren't we all treated the same? I don't care if you happen to be green: if you are the most qualified person, you get the spot. If you aren't, then that is too bad.
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You guys throw around the phrase "affirmative action" like it is a simple thing.  Saying that you are for or against "affirmative action" makes about as much sense as being for or against "gun control" or "war" or "tort reform".

Affirmative action is a collection of complex policies and practices.  It might be helpful to specify what exactly you are for or against.

But as to the situation at hand - there are a couple of questions.  The first one is "why do you believe that race was the deciding factor, or even a significant factor?"

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Argument for AA within college admissions.

Arguement against AA within college admissions.

Originally posted by Relevant Quote Relevant Quote wrote:


The Argument: There are several factors that a college should take into account when considering applicants, such as grades, test scores, and extra-curricular achievements. However, an applicant's race is not a legitimate factor to take into consideration because it is outside of the student's control. It is impossible for a college to consider every aspect of a student's background when making admissions decisions. Why focus on race in particular, as opposed to the thousands of other aspects that differentiate students from one another?

The Response: The purpose of the college admissions process is not to reward merit but to get the best overall student body. Insofar as affirmative action increases the diversity of the student community, it makes for a better learning environment.


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I say remove the "racial background" box from any application altogether, unless it has relevance.
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