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A-5 Command
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 2:54pm |
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this is exactly what i mean, thank you. And yes i realize that in certain enviornments it is impossible to be a sniper. |
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SebastianBlack
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 2:57pm |
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But what he described isnt a sniper, that would be a Scouting position more then anything, and it doesnt sound remotely like anything to do with being a sniper.
It seems that alot of these things you describe as sniper qualities are the exact same thing everyone who isnt playing for the first time. You've yet to prove there is anything remotely like a sniper in paintball, just describing tactics with your own flare doesnt make one thing into another. |
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 3:03pm |
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what would you sabastian, call someone who is in an elevated position over looking the main firefight in a woods ball game and is picking off enemy players that are below him? dont take this as a nasty thing twords you i am just asking for your opinion cause u seem to no what your talking about. and why in gods name do u have a swasticka as your icon? |
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SebastianBlack
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 3:26pm |
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a woodsball player. Plain and simple, As I said, snipers work in pairs, have to deal with windage, have assigned objectives, and have guns especially tuned for shooting over long distances, One shot One Kill, do the devils will, all that buisness.
Paintball players can not consistently shoot someone out in one shot, Its not possible. If you show me a bolt action marker that will take someone out at a thousand meters consistently, and are dead nuts accurate every time, then I'll admit there can be snipers. However, a real sniper goes days to weeks crawling on their belly in hostile territory with minimal if any contact with any sort of support. If a sniper gets found he's abandoned and he pretty much knows this. I find people calling themselves a sniper a diservice to the men who do the job. I think its highly insulting to compare yourself to someone who's very meaning is putting his life on the line to remove designated threats to my and your way of being degrading. I play paintball, I do it in the woods alot. I sneak around, I carefully choose my shots and I do my best to flank my enemy and get a good position that they cant find me while doing so. I'm not a sniper, I'm an experienced player. Other experienced players look down on people whom call themselves a sniper for one reason. It reminds them of the 12 year old who is too scared to get hit and does nothing but weigh the team down. |
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 3:44pm |
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What if it is a very large scenario game or some crap and the player is sent on a special mission with one other player? Would you call them assasins or spys? Or im guesing u would call them a pointman? oh and also would you say recon scouts exist in paintball? and also dude sniper rifles dont have to be bolt action, first semi auto sniper rifle was invented in ww2. Edited by A-5 Command |
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 5:19pm |
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Sebastian, you, along with everyone else who argues the paintball sniper, are way to literal when interprating the word sniper. You have to move away from the meaning that you are accustomed to hearing in military and police terms. A paintball sniper is a general term which describes a certain tactic. Just remember, you have to throw away the dictionary meaning or military meaning of sniper and remember it's a broad term used loosely to describe players who scout, harass, disrupt, etc. in their opponents territory, during SCENARIO GAMES, not backyard woodsball. If you've ever played a scenario or big game, than you've seen this tactic, and it's is very effective. I was at EMR in October for Castle Conquest, and what the defenders did occasionally was send a guy out of the castle and just look around, hide, start ripping some paint at us, and then run. We would either run after him and get stuck in an ambush or chase him down and find ourselves farther from the objective - either way, the sniper won. You can't just ignore him either, because he was taking guys out a lot faster than we could take him out. And that comment about 12 year olds - grow up. I've played with kids young enough to practically be my son and they've got balls; running up to the front, being that wedge in the middle of the field, they can use a sappling for a bunker. They were keeping up with the experienced and seasoned players like me and my buddies, because we teach them how to play. By shunning and whining about the younger generation YOUR doing a diservice to the growth of our sport. |
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SebastianBlack
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 6:52pm |
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But the broad term you are using encompasses most scenario/woodsball players.
I am not overanalyzing the term, you are not looking at a broad enough picture.
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 7:31pm |
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Says who exactly? You can't just make up definitions to suit your needs. |
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 7:55pm |
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Exactly, he openly admits he's changing the definition to fit his idea. But his idea covers a great deal of woodsball players.
Basicly those he chooses to call a sniper, reguardless of their actual role, are snipers'
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Posted: 06 February 2005 at 11:19pm |
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Theres "sniper" stuff in the paintball market, because people are just
that gullible. People buy that crap so they can look "cool" at
the paintball fields. There is no military type sniper in
paintball. Sure, you can deck your marker out with the coolest
sniper stuff, put on a guille and sit out under a bush waiting for
someone to come by you so you can take shot at them.
Unfourtunately, physics make it impossible to actually do what a real
sniper does. You can't shoot a paintball 300 yards.
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 12:54am |
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I agree w/CougarBattalion & A5 Command, The term is very loosely used in marketing sales & newbie terminology.Hey if you want to lay or sit and wait for that one (maybe) perfect shot go ahead..Personally I would rather run and gun and be active in the game.For those afraid of getting shot,give golf a try.... MM |
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 2:46pm |
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People really need to plan this sniper debate a bit better. Its more interesting when you cant tear apart the arguement this quickly.
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 4:51pm |
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Im suprised youre actually responding in this thread SebastionBlack, even though this thread is in the wrong section of the Forum.
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 5:02pm |
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Get over it. |
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 5:19pm |
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I think mods have better things to do then worry about what thread is posted where. If I were to report something, it would be worth while, like flaming and improper sigs, stuff like that.
Though,thank you for trying to start an arguement in a thread thats going along just fine. Kudos to you for trying to get the forum to degenerate.
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 5:40pm |
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Well I wouldnt say that a MOD has anything better to do....Ive already seen several threads that has been moved to their approptiate location and Im not starting an argument wit you if that was your implication.
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 6:27pm |
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In the interest of civil argument...
I grabbed this from an article on British sniper school. This was under a section outlining what was stressed and taught during the school:
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 6:33pm |
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I am a sniper. I stay in the rear and back up my front men. I shoot and cannot be seen. I will plant a paintball right in your throat from 200 feet, and you wont know where it came from. But that gets boring, so I usually use my other gun and play lead, and let someone else play sniper.
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 6:34pm |
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now, there is certainly alot of weight put on long range and precise
shooting. But there are plenty of other categories in there as
well.
Here is an excerpt from another article I found called "Goodbye to Romance: What It Takes To Be A Marine Scout/Sniper" written by SGT Lance M. Bacon, MCB Camp Lejeune, N.C. Sgt. Craig T. Douglas, a section leader with 3/8's Scout/Sniper Platoon: "The platoon members must also learn a variety of field skills since they are often relied upon for intelligence gathering as well as sniping, according to Douglas. "Field skills are just as important as being able to shoot well," he said. "The field skills of each platoon member must be far and above the abilities and knowledge of the average infantryman. Each must to be able to call in supporting arms and close air support. Because we use a variety of communications equipment, we have to be as good as any radio operator in the Marine Corps. "Once we gather the intelligence, we have to get it back to the unit we are supporting," Douglas said. "It could be the security of a landing zone, whether the ground composition or obstacles will prohibit a landing, enemy aircraft in an area, or a surf or beach report to assist amphibious landings. "Regardless of the situation, if we can't get that information back, then we're no good out there. All we'll do is give away the battalion's intent." While performing in that role, the Scout/Sniper must also possess a level of discipline and judgment that allows him to endure the incredibly patient and calculated movements required to probe, unseen and unheard, deep into hostile area." Seb, you mentioned that all of the skills mentioned previously were hallmarks of good woodsball players, and I agree. However I would counter that any sort of "Sniper" (I say "any sort" because we're still arguing their existance) must have them in Spades: "The field skills of each platoon member must be far and above the abilities and knowledge of the average infantryman." Nigel F |
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Posted: 07 February 2005 at 6:47pm |
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And from that same article, even the marines have the problem of the sniper image fed by marketing and media:
"Douglas admits that some Marines are interested in becoming a Scout/Sniper because of the glamorous impression the posters and movies create. These Marines, however, are usually filtered out within the first day or two of the week-long indoctrination." |
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