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Poll Question: Do you believe abortion should be allowed??
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Yeah. I think an abortion is justified when the mothers health is in danger. Or if the girl is like 14. Then her health can be in danger as well. I think rape cases are iffy. But if they use abortion as a form of birth control or have some stupid reason for doing it. Thats why there is adoption.
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Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

There are too few real reasons to abort and too many alternatives. Denying that kid a life just because it might screw yours up is just wrong. 


It does screw up the kids life. It would suck to be a baby with your mother a poor 18 year old and your father a low life scum who doesn't have a job and left your mother.

I'd rather be aborted than live like that.

God just puts you in another baby.
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Yes, just as long as it is not abused.
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So what about couples that do indeed use every birth control measure possible and still manage to get pregnant? And just because a reason my seem stupid to you, doesnt mean that it is stupid to the couple.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2005 at 1:31pm
People act like couples do use abortion as birth control. That's wrong. Abortion isn't like condoms or the pill, and it isn't used like that. People need to get their heads right before they start posting like that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hades Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2005 at 1:36pm
Exactly. It isnt like people are saying, "Well instead of buying a box of Condoms, I am just going to go to the doctors and get an abortion if I get pregnant."

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

So what about couples that do indeed use every birth control measure possible and still manage to get pregnant? And just because a reason my seem stupid to you, doesnt mean that it is stupid to the couple.



The couple shouldn't be having sex if they aren't prepared to have a child, it really is as simple as that.
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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I know that not all adoptions go wrong [I know some perfectly good foster parents myself.] The fact remains that some do. Adoption cant be the end all solution for reasoning against abortion because for some children, it isnt what is best.


So dying is?

I'm not trying to start a fight, but saying adoption isn't the best measure may be true, but it is surely better than dying.  And the number of adoptions that go like the thread you made is so small its not near as bad as it's made out to be.

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No, it's not that simple. Our conservative brethren have often barred any useful sexual education courses from school, as well as the passing out of contraception. Therefore, there isn't a couple in the world that is educated enough, but still has the horomones, in high school. No couple should be prepared to have a child just to have sex, but they should be educated about protection, something that isn't being allowed.
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Originally posted by newport newport wrote:

What if the condom breaks? Or the chick missed birth control by 10 minutes?


It's their body, let them do what they want.

So that gives them the right to murder someone?

From even a biological standpoint, after the sperm fertilizes the egg, it is a living creature, the first cell of life, which is called a zygote.  So even from a scientific viewpoint, abortion should be illegal.  From a religious standpoint, it is even worse.  If you don't want to have an unplanned pregnancy, keep your pants on and learn to accept responsibility for your actions.

I am not going to say if I am conservative or liberal because then I will be automatically flamed for being whichever one I am.


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Says who? There are lots of married couples well with in their means of raising and taking care of children who just dont want to. So they use condoms, take the pill, use diaphrams, get their tubes tied, and have visectomies all in the name of not having a child they have done everything in their power not to have a child. They have sex for the enjoyment and pleasure they gain from doing it. Beating all odds, they still manage conception.

Who are you to tell this couple, they have to have the baby to term?

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So if abortion is murder, then so is the death penalty.
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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

No, it's not that simple. Our conservative brethren have often barred any useful sexual education courses from school, as well as the passing out of contraception. Therefore, there isn't a couple in the world that is educated enough, but still has the horomones, in high school. No couple should be prepared to have a child just to have sex, but they should be educated about protection, something that isn't being allowed.


Amen!!! This is one of the reasons why I am debating working at a planned parenting clinic. I would love to lobby for better sex eductation. For all the advices science has given us, it is sad to see that we are so far behind in the are of human sexuality. Knoweledge is Power, especially in the area of sex.

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Originally posted by tippy_182 tippy_182 wrote:

So dying is?
If you never exist in the first place, you dont nessisarily "die."

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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

No, it's not that simple. Our conservative brethren have often barred any useful sexual education courses from school, as well as the passing out of contraception. Therefore, there isn't a couple in the world that is educated enough,but still has the horomones, in high school. No couple should be prepared to have a child just to have sex, but they should be educated about protection, something that isn't being allowed.


Thats a load of bull. It's called self control. No couple has to have sex for their horomones or any other reason. If they are committed to having sex, they should be committed to dealing with the (potential) consequences.    Sex is something that should be reserved for couples that truly love eachother and are prepared to deal with a child, not for raging horomones.

Also, you make sex seem so trivial, when it (sometimes) has very severe consequences. It seems that the act of intercouse has lost all of its meaning with some people.

As for sex education, I agree with you. It needs to be properly taught in our schools, along with a clear presentation of the potential consequences. Access to free contraception should be available to those couples that choose to have sex. The problem is that protection does fail. The only way to be truly protected from pregnancy is abstinence. That is something that should be taught right along with contraception.



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Oh contraire...we Republicans and Conservatives do like to have a version of sex education taught and viewed in our schools, it is called a set of religious or moral values. Many religions preach ABSTENENCE, RESPONSIBILITY,and sex only after marriage, yet WHO is not allowing that to be taught in our schools.

The liberals version of sex education is to teach how to put a condom on to 6th graders, you can get pregnant go to planned parenthood get an abortion and not even are you required to tell your parents nor need their permission even though you are a minor. Mike has two mommies, or Cathy has two daddies is not sex education, a set of values based on responsibility and abstenence is.

If the Democrats were so PRO CHOICE, the first choice that should be taught to the parties involved in this sexual act is the word, "NO", and the consequences of not acting responsible are as follows...........

Abortion is a form of murder, clear and final, a human life is terminated, and life is determined to be from inception, fetuses have the abilty to feel pain at 8 weeks, show digital and cognasent movement activities, and we as a society determines that this life is no longer valueable and should be terminated because we as a society no longer have the values to see what life truely is. And where is the fathers choice in these matters, if we are so Pro-Choice why are not the fathers rights brought into the picture.

In the case of criminal acts ie rape, incest etc, or medical reasons endnagering the health of the mother abortion is a viable option. But for a set of individuals who by lack of responsibility did not use the choice of "No" as thier Pro-Choice, the innocent child/fetus should not have to suffer the ultimate penalty for thier parents inability to show a base set of moral values and responsibility.

Adoption over Abortion.............

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Horomones a load of bull? Have you even hit puberty yet? Self control is not that easy in an environment that breeds sexual contact. You cannot tell others that sex should only be between couples that love each other, it is not your choice.

Once again, if abortion is government sanctioned murder, then so is the death penalty.



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Originally posted by Bolt3 Bolt3 wrote:

Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

There are too few real reasons to abort and too many alternatives. Denying that kid a life just because it might screw yours up is just wrong. 


It does screw up the kids life. It would suck to be a baby with your mother a poor 18 year old and your father a low life scum who doesn't have a job and left your mother.

I'd rather be aborted than live like that.

God just puts you in another baby.


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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

So if abortion is murder, then so is the death penalty.


The two are completely dissimilar. Capital punishment is just that, punishment. Though I do not agree with it, there is at least cause for it. There is not justifiable cause for the destrucion of an inocent developing human.
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Who's making that "justifiable cause?" The government? That is, the same government within which you believe is not just in allowing abortion. They are not dissimilar.

Teaching only abstinence does nothing. Easier said than done. Pressures have often destroyed that first line of defense and then leaves a person with nothing, no condom, no protection at all, and no education.



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