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    Posted: 02 February 2005 at 9:10pm

I'm a rec baller-i stick to urban combat in the sheds on my
property-sick combat at its best


I like to modify my A-5 by hand-minimal factory upgrades-
flatline only, definately worth it


I don't have a machine shop or anything-I stick to tape, wire,
and luck


I built a push button tac-lite for my A-5 (if you want
instructions, let me know), mounted a red dot hunting sight


I was bored, so i stripped the trigger of my gun (easy thanks
to the pins)...taking a look at the trigger mechanism, i quickly
figured out how to modify the sear to make the gun a full auto
(all you need is a toothpick believe it or not)...problem is, my
rate of fire is far to incredibly high to be of any use (60 rounds a
seconds-means almost two cases in a minute--burns through a
little 12 oz in less than 5 minutes of sporadic bursts) and yes,
60bps does outshoot the cyclone...


60 balls a seconds is obviously impossible-to make things
clear-it shoots 60 airshots a second-a solid roar...only half the
paint i put in makes it through without chopping-only tried it
once-yesterday night


Anyone got ideas for more mods? AND!, anyone got any
advice on how to slow down the rate of fire to keep it from
making a mess in my cyclone/action?



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Hi, We have a couple of guys looking into that for a couple of projects. Try www.a5og.net they have some good techs who can point you in the right direction.
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i doubt it gets to 60 "air shots" as u call them, a second.  I would suggest looking at www.a5og.net/forum for all u're info and help.  This is the only working link to their site, so i would use it.
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Even the highest end gun cant shoot 60....
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are you listening to him he took out the sear thats possible a higher end gun could prolly do 80-90
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    I've never even heard of 60 balls per second.  Letting professionals take a look at it would be my advice to you.
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I thought the highest feasible cyclic rate for an a-5 was somewhere around 15... doesn't that mean the bolt can't possibly move faster than this? Because an MP-5 has a cyclic rate of like 900 RPM, but even if you had a 900 round magazine, it couldn't possibly get this fast. I always saw the cyclic rate as the amount of time it takes for the bolt to move and return to it's original position and recock, i.e.- an a-5 can do this in one-fifteenth of a second. Oh, well I might be wrong and wrote all this for nothing.

Oh, and 60,80,90 rounds a second - isn't that about the RPS of a minigun?



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Originally posted by DrexelSkaPB DrexelSkaPB wrote:

I thought the highest feasible cyclic rate for an a-5 was somewhere around 15... doesn't that mean the bolt can't possibly move faster than this? Because an MP-5 has a cyclic rate of like 900 RPM, but even if you had a 900 round magazine, it couldn't possibly get this fast. I always saw the cyclic rate as the amount of time it takes for the bolt to move and return to it's original position and recock, i.e.- an a-5 can do this in one-fifteenth of a second. Oh, well I might be wrong and wrote all this for nothing.

Oh, and 60,80,90 rounds a second - isn't that about the RPS of a minigun?

 

haha a minispeed would be sweet-but miniguns top out at 6000, this would only get 3600...

my guess is the cyclic rate for an A-5 is listed as 15bps cause the cyclone doesnt feed to well at higher speeds-although some say 20-25 works fine

thanks to everyone who responded-if you wanna try it for yourself-let me know cause its a simply trick

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Na, that's okay - I don't want to spend $300 a week on paint . You know, student loans and all are kicking my a...

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omg, it is imposible for ur gun to shoot out 60 paintballs a second. Its impossible to shoot paintballs out at that speed in half the cps. U do that and u wil break your gun.
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Originally posted by Klaus Klaus wrote:

I'm a rec baller-i stick to urban combat in the
sheds on my property-sick combat at its best


I like to modify my A-5 by hand-minimal factory upgrades-
flatline only, definately worth it


I don't have a machine shop or anything-I stick to tape, wire,
and luck


I built a push button tac-lite for my A-5 (if you want
instructions, let me know), mounted a red dot hunting sight


I was bored, so i stripped the trigger of my gun (easy thanks
to the pins)...taking a look at the trigger mechanism, i quickly
figured out how to modify the sear to make the gun a full auto
(all you need is a toothpick believe it or not)...problem is, my
rate of fire is far to incredibly high to be of any use (60 rounds a
seconds-means almost two cases in a minute--burns through a
little 12 oz in less than 5 minutes of sporadic bursts) and yes,
60bps does outshoot the cyclone...


60 balls a seconds is obviously impossible-to make things
clear-it shoots 60 airshots a second-a solid roar...only half the
paint i put in makes it through without chopping-only tried it
once-yesterday night


Anyone got ideas for more mods? AND!, anyone got any
advice on how to slow down the rate of fire to keep it from
making a mess in my cyclone/action?




DUDE, i had the SAME EXPIRIENCE AS YOU...only i made my
model 98 fully auto...its awesome...but a gass eating
paintchoppin mod...and uhh dude...i posted this up quite a
while ago...so some of these guys ell tell you to do research
before yu post or ask questions on the forum...but yeah...nice
job bradda
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HAVE YOU HEARD THE MOD FOR THESE BEASTS?...IT IS
DEFFINETLY OVER 60 B.P.S.!...shut yerr mouths guys yall dont
know what your talking about i modded my gun with this same
think only with a mod98 and it is flippin fast...maybe someday
when i get air again ill post a sound track of me shootin fully
automatic with my model 98...then we will see whos
laughin...right klaus?
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 Thats amazing, I wish you could tell me how to do it with my 98c.
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crazy dave-i think i love ya man

all these people are telling me it aint possible-finally someone who has facts and has actually tried it

if you dont believe me-then dont believe me-i cant prove it-so if anyone out there doesnt believe me, pick a diffent post; im obviously a complete waste of your precious time

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"oh my god, it shoots 60 bps!!111!!" is not a fact. 

A blowback type marker, when left to FA, as you guys are talking about, will only hit in the range of 30-40 cycles per second.  I say cycles per second, because I would challenge you to find a loader to keep up with it.  A qloader might cut it, as it can hit around 30bps.  And assuming for a moment that you did find a loader that could keep pace, how much of an fps drop do you think you'd have? 

And I hate to break it to you, but you arent exactly the first paintballers to come up with this idea.  Back in the mid '90s when I bought my Carbine it came up now and then.  And I'm sure we werent even close to the first guys to think of it. 


And Crazy dave...  We're not laughing because we dont believe you, we're laughing because you're so excited about something so minor.  Its easy to make a marker cycle that quickly... the real trick is coming up with a way to control it. 



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Originally posted by Nigelf Nigelf wrote:

"oh my god, it shoots 60 bps!!111!!" is not a
fact. 

A blowback type marker, when left to FA, as you guys are
talking about,
will only hit in the range of 30-40 cycles per second.  I say
cycles per second, because I would challenge you to find a
loader to
keep up with it.  A qloader <span style="font-style: italic;">
might</span>
cut it, as it can hit around 30bps.  And assuming for a moment
that you did find a loader that could keep pace, how much of an
fps
drop do you think you'd have? 

And I hate to break it to you, but you arent exactly the first
paintballers to come up with this idea.  Back in the mid '90s
when
I bought my Carbine it came up now and then.  And I'm sure we
werent even close to the first guys to think of it. 


And Crazy dave...  We're not laughing because we dont believe
you,
we're laughing because you're so excited about something so
minor.  Its easy to make a marker cycle that quickly... the real
trick is coming up with a way to control it. 



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I put in 45-50 balls, tapped the trigger-and had an empty
hopper...and they shot quite well/accutrate and decent velocity-
little or no loss of FPS
I never tried to brag about modifing it-im just asking if anyone
can help me slow it down better
but i like the way you speculate cause if you say something, it
must be true, right?
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Originally posted by Klaus Klaus wrote:



I put in 45-50 balls, tapped the trigger-and had an empty
hopper...

Right...

Anyway, it's nothing new, take out your sear, there you go.
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Originally posted by DrexelSkaPB DrexelSkaPB wrote:

 

Oh, and 60,80,90 rounds a second - isn't that about the RPS of a minigun?

a minigun can shoot like what is it i cant remember but its in like the high hundreds of rounds per second maybe even 1000 rps

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Originally posted by Klaus Klaus wrote:


I put in 45-50 balls, tapped the trigger-and had an empty
hopper...and they shot quite well/accutrate and decent velocity-
little or no loss of FPS
I never tried to brag about modifing it-im just asking if anyone
can help me slow it down better
but i like the way you speculate cause if you say something, it
must be true, right?



Alright, thats fine, but you are going to have to come up with some sort of evidence now.  If I told you my Carbine fired 9 or 10 BPS, most people probbably wouldnt think anything of it.  You are stating that your A5 cycles at an incredible rate AND your cyclone keeps up with it AND you have minimal shootdown.  Thats pretty incredible.  And I just cant take that on blind faith. 

set yourself up a Chrono, videotape it... post it.  Show me you have something. 


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A vulcan cannon- the 20mm motoized gatling gun- will fire a hundred shtos a second. That is the fastest firearm in the world, and is used in the Close In Weapons System (R2D2 dome) on naval vessels to shoot down missiles and close in aircraft. The 'minigun' is a 7.62mm version of the vulcan cannon, will shoot, as I recall, about 70-80 shots a second.

Klaus, the Cyclone can only feed 15-20bps before it turns into a paint blender. A Q-loader can reliably feed 30 a second- IF you can get the marker to cycle that slowly.

Realistically, full auto is not going to be particularly useful abot 15bps or so. An M16 rifle or an M249 SAW light machinegun fire 10-12 shots a second fully auto. Some SMGs and machine pistols fire up to 15 or so. They don't go any faster becuase realistically it's jsut a waste.

At 280fps, shooting 15 a second, every six hundredths fo a second, tehre's a ballpassing a point in the air. Noone can dodge through a steam of fire like that. The only time you'll need a fully auto paintball amrker would be in close in stuff in recball- since FA isn't allowed in speedball. For clearing a room or soemthing, going full on your tippy would be nice, but an insane rate of fire is just stupid.

I've worked on this problem myself, and the only way to get this really working is to retard the cyclic rate to 15bps without the sear- but going that slowly, it wont's necessarily trigger the valve enough.

I expect that you will not find a way to make a Tippmann cycle that slowly without engaging the sear. The reason the ebolt works is because it releases the sear 15 times a second. With the mechanics of the Tippmanns, you will not be able ot get an effective and efficient full auto system without an electronic trigger system...

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