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Originally posted by Nigelf Nigelf wrote:


[Alright, thats fine, but you are going to have to come up with
some
sort of evidence now.  If I told you my Carbine fired 9 or 10 BPS,
most people probbably wouldnt think anything of it.  You are
stating that your A5 cycles at an incredible rate AND your
cyclone
keeps up with it AND you have minimal shootdown.  Thats
pretty
incredible.  And I just cant take that on blind faith. 

set yourself up a Chrono, videotape it... post it.  Show me you
have something. 


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yeah i see what you mean...but im just a rec ball player, i dont
have a chrono
i didnt mean to imply the cyclone could keep up-it cant, but by
tilting the gun 45 degrees to the left, it makes an improvised
gravity feed-choped a dozen id say
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Klaus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2005 at 11:34am
im pretty good with firearms too, and digging deep in my mind, i
remebered the minigun-7.62x51 NATO- fires 6000 rounds a
minute-thats 100 a second-thank god its on our side, eh?
it can also theoretically be slowed down by lowering the
volatge being given to the drive motor
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It's impossible to shoot 50-60 balls a second.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Klaus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2005 at 11:48am
in case anyone wants to try it themselves-please note-i have no
idea how it would work with HP-i use CO2 with no regulator or
low pressure system
maybe this will help clarify what i did to the sear



1. remove the handgrip and then trigger mechanism
2. pull side casing off of trigger mechanism-it should come
easy-its the steel plate the sandwiches the trigger and springs
3. theres a slot-about 2 cm long and as thick as a toothpick (i
used what i had at hand)-find the slot
4. push the sear catch (its on top and goes down every time
you pull the trigger) forward
5.break a toothpick or something that will fit in the slot so that it
is as long/wide as the trigger mechanism frame (so once u put
the pick in the trigger casing still fits on)
6. while the sear is in forward position, place the toothpick in
the slot so it holds the sear forward in the slot
7. reassemble trigger and gun
8 cock gun-then pull back handle all the way back, hold the
trigger, and let go-the bolt should fly foward
9. try it out with short bursts of air-it may freeze up your gun in
cold weather

Attempt at your own risk-IT MAY DAMAGE YOUR GUN-it hasnt
hurt mine at all, but i dont want anyone breaking their gun

from time to time, you may need to put in a new piece of
toothpick
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Originally posted by Klaus Klaus wrote:


yeah i see what you mean...but im just a rec ball player, i dont
have a chrono
i didnt mean to imply the cyclone could keep up-it cant, but by
tilting the gun 45 degrees to the left, it makes an improvised
gravity feed-choped a dozen id say


Dont worry, I dont have a chrono either... wish I did :P

If you're serious about this, or are at least interested in the idea, check some information on the Tippmann FA.  Theres some good info here

Tippmann used some sort of crazy double articulating sear system to adjust the cycle rate.  I recently got one that I've been messing around with, and its pretty neat.  I have alot of tweaking to do on it (and I'm not sure exactly what has to be tweaked... half the fun of a new marker). 


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Originally posted by Bolt3 Bolt3 wrote:

It's impossible to shoot 50-60 balls a second.



I think we covered that
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this is a little off topic but what is better the E-grip or the RT. i heard they all use alot more gas but with RT i can save like 25 dollers and i heard the e-grip is having a few problems but i still would like to have it.Nise job with th tooth pick put i would like a slower rate couse im not made of mony u know.i feel like **edited**!

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let this topic end.its so annoying.u might beable to get that much bps but im shure theres chops every other shot or more.if u look at a gun shoot when its out of air it will go full auto and its pretty fast.
Alot of people these days play speed-ball and have superspeed gun.If you are one of the few pump players left,put this as ur sig.

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Originally posted by jacob_100 jacob_100 wrote:

let this topic end.its so annoying.u might beable to get that much bps but im shure theres chops every other shot or more.if u look at a gun shoot when its out of air it will go full auto and its pretty fast.

when the gun runs out of air, it sounds like a cripple compared to the  rate of fire the mod gets-just to give you an idea...you can here individual recrications of the bolt when it runs out

oddly enough, when i fire quick bursts of air to show it to other people, the burst sound like burps/belches-kinda funny sounding

if you dont like it, just ignore it, pretend it doesnt exist, maybe that will make you quit whining

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I think I need to see it to believe it> 60 bps...sure
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well then follow the directions andi

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dont get pissed at me for dragging up an old topic, cause im
curious
Did anyone actually try this in their gun? If you did, let me know
if it worked for you
Please no comments about how I'm gonna $^#$^#$&$@#%$&
@$%&@$%&*@$%%&@$%TT^*() up my gun, just tell me if
you tried it
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Holding down the sear is a bad idea. The best one I've seen so far was a paper clip position somewhere in the trigger (can't remember). Similar to the F/A, you want to use the sear to slow down the bolt, but not wait for the trigger to activate it. Plus, anything over 15 bps will get you a punch in the face by any ref on any field. If you play in the woods with just your buddies, you should get punched in the face for going over 15 bps.

Tippmann is perfectly capable of uncapping the E-grip and increasing the Cyclone's feed rate- but there's no point or purpose for them to waste time and money to create a useless feature on a product to bolster sales. Instead, Tippmann creates practical features that are useful. An e-grip at 15 bps on a tank equipped with it's own stock feeder with a tuned trigger (JCS Duel) is a nightmare on the field (provided you know how to play not like a 10 year old).

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it's cool you discovered that but I think just getting an e-grip is more sound than using something as weak as a tooth pick. Maybe Replicate that toothpick part with steel or plastic and find a way to limit ROF better.


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Originally posted by Nigelf Nigelf wrote:


Originally posted by Bolt3 Bolt3 wrote:

It's impossible to shoot 50-60 balls a second.



I think we covered that


YUP!, we covered that, all of you guys ended up being wrong
Real guns have gills.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crazy_dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2005 at 4:42pm
ya kno...you dont just HAVE TO hold down the trig, you could
give it little love taps here and there
Real guns have gills.
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Badges?, WE DONT NEED NO STINKIN' Badges, right
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To reiterate, for those who don't get it-
Yes, the fully auto mod is possible. The marker will cycle at a rate reported to be anywhere between 30-60 shots a second, however you will NOT find a loader that can feed that fast. a Qloader can dump itself into a box fast enough to fire 50bps theoretically, but in that case the feed system continues accelerating throughout. In the case of a fully auto mod, the feed would still have to stop and start continuously if it's gonna avoid turning into a paint blender.

Mechanical fully auto works on a firearm because the bolt is fully seated before the firing pin is struck by the hammer, or pushed by the bolt mechanism (in the case of open bolt machineguns). Because a Tippmann bolt and striker are firmly linked and cannot move indepdant of each other, there is no way to modify the feed system to retard the cyclic rate if you jam the sear.

So again, you can fully auto a tippmann mechanically, but you won't find a loader that can keep up.  You need way to slow the physical travel of the bolt while still ahving it hit the striker with enough power to operate the marker. Good luck with that.
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brihard- I was going to attempt mounting an extension spring to the sear, but I bought the E-grip and forgot about it. Mayhaps someone could mess around with that idea?
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who needs to shoot 60bps anyways.. it's senseless. Your hopper is gone in under 3 seconds...

you would need a 2000 round hopper for this to be even worthwhile. even then I doubt you can do this without shootdown.



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