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    Posted: 11 December 2004 at 12:21pm
I just discussed this with cocker noob =) and he couldnt answer me so ill come here.

It has been stated that cockers have a reputation to be the most accurate of markers, but why?  Because the closed bolt?

With a closed bolt, the first stage is the bolt is in the forward position then moved back to allow the ball to enter the chamber and then hurled forward.  Then in the forward position again to repeat the cycle.

With an open bolt the first stage is the bolt in the back position, alowing the balls in the chamber until fired.

Disregarding the first stage of a closed bolt, which would theoretically have no effect on the final stages, why is a closed bolt assumed to be more accruate?

On another note, is this why cockers dont have ball detents?  Because the ball is only in the chamber once the triger is pulled?
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What is closed bolt?- We said earlier that the Autococker was closed bolt. This means that when the marker is at rest the bolt is in the forward position and closes the feed neck from the breech. When the Autocockerís trigger is pulled it first fires the ball in the chamber then loads the next ball waiting for you to pull the trigger again. Many people claim that closed bolt makes the marker more accurate. This has yet to really be proven, but having the marker fire before recocking tends to mean less motion which leads to a more accurate shot on the first ball. 
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Yes but it is understood, atleast interperated that the cocker is so much more accurate it blows the competition away.  Besides, there is not that much motion to effect the firing cycle.
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No, its not SOOO much more accurate to blow the competion away.

Remember the barrel makes a large difference of accuracy as well glass. Granted a cocker does have that LITTLE bit more accuracy because of what I said in my 1st post, you still cannot really tell the difference if you got a pretty good barrel on the open bolt marker IMO.

So basicly there is a small amount of difference in a Closed, and Open bolt, but not so much where as you make it sound like I can hit a target with my cocker like butter, and the next gun cannot. It also depends on the players accuracy, how he holds the gun, and what paint and bore match he has.

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Ah, gotcha.  I interpereted it to be a major difference.  Thanks baby ;)
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Do Autocockers really shoot more accurately?
    The belief that Autocockers shoot more accurately comes from the fact that they are one of a very small number of closed bolt guns. This means that when the marker is at rest the bolt is pushed forward with the ball already loaded. When you pull the trigger nothing in contact with the ball moves, but air is expelled out of the bolt to push the ball out. Then the system recocks itself. It's because of this people believe that your first shot is more accurate as you have less moving parts causing recoil and your shot is truer. In reality it takes a lot longer for a paintball to leave the barrel then a bullet to leave a barrel. Because of this by the time the marker has begun to recock the ball is still in the barrel. So in all truth, it shoots just as accurately as any other marker.
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Baby and sexi....man, you 2 are startin to worry me
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lol.

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Also, you 2 remind me of Dave and Hades, another weird pair!
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Originally posted by -cockerkilla99- -cockerkilla99- wrote:

lol.

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barrel to paint match buddy no gun could literally be more accurate then another gun, unless its like a truly bad gun, like a tippy can shoot just as accurate as lets say timmy and so on.

and cockers do have ball detents

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so does that mean you can only really short stroke with a closed bolt gun?

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There are two guns that are infamous for short stroking, automag & autococker. Mags are a blow forward type marker.

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GlassJaw, I thought you had a cocker.

Cockers do have ball detents.

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Originally posted by DrunkDriver DrunkDriver wrote:

GlassJaw, I thought you had a cocker.

Cockers do have ball detents.



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Originally posted by 2k4kev 2k4kev wrote:

so does that mean you can only really short stroke with a closed bolt gun?

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close bolt markers arent more accurate
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