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Food for thought.

   Though many American liberals continue to regard Europe as a model of sophistication and humanism, and thus a great potential check on rampant U.S. "cowboyism," Europe actually is a bit of a fever swamp. There's nothing new about this -- think of pre-World War II Europe. The re-emergence of European anti-semitism, though under-reported, is no secret either. In truth, though, Europe was essentially racist even during the golden age of the former Western Europe. And I'm talking about anti-black racism, not just anti-Semitism. In fact, the appointment of Condi Rice to replace Colin Powell made me recall a remark that a friend of mine who lived in Europe made more than 30 years ago. He said that it would be decades before the U.S. could appoint a black Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense because the Europeans wouldn't take one seriously. Come to think of it, where is England's Rice or France's Powell?

Anyone who follows European soccer knows about European racism. By the mid-1960s viciously racist crowd behavior was basically a thing of the past in the U.S sporting scene. But it was just getting started in Europe. Black players were routinely abused by English fans for at least two more decades. Unfortunately, Everton fans were considered among the worst, although at least they could be won over by good play. In the famous 1966 World Cup match between North Korea and a Portuguese team full of African players, the Everton crowd cheered the players off the field.

Overt racism finally has mostly been vanquished from the English game. However, blacks on the English national team often are the targets of terrible abuse when England plays on the continent. Yesterday, England played in Spain, a nation that surely is in the upper echelon of Euro-taste and sophistication. The blacks who played for England -- Ashley Cole, Shaun Wright-Phillips, and sub Jermaine Jenas -- faced a torrent of abuse throughout the match from the Madrid crowd, including chants of "monkey" and imitation monkey noises The same thing happened the day before when the England under 21 team played in Spain. One victim, Carlton Cole, complained that even little kids were joining in. Previously, the Spanish coach had made a racial slur about Thierry Henry, the French super-star who plays in England. And speaking of France, fans of the club St. Etienne physcially attacked opponent Bastia's black players after a match this weekend. Accounts of these disgraceful events can be found.

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And? Racism Still happens quite frequently here in the US. I'd guess that 60-70% of the people in this country could easily be proven to hold people in a negative light based solely on race. Just because it isn't politically correct to say it hear, doesn't mean people aren't thinking it. If anything, the Euro-trash gets bonus points for letting people demonstrate true Freedom of Opinion and Freedom of Speech, which is something you hold in high regards, given your other threads, isn't it?
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Please, please, stop using that annoying tiny font.  Is using the default font really that hard?
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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Please, please, stop using that annoying tiny font.  Is using the default font really that hard?


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We are in Jesusland. Jesusland has nothing to do with racism. Please, go away.
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^^^ Amen.
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Originally posted by Multi-Colored J Multi-Colored J wrote:

We are in Jesusland. Jesusland has nothing to do with racism. Please, go away.

Did you actually read it.

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Originally posted by new002 new002 wrote:

Originally posted by Multi-Colored J Multi-Colored J wrote:

We are in Jesusland. Jesusland has nothing to do with racism. Please, go away.


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Was that a statement or a question? I think it was a question, so I shall dignify it with a response.

What the hell do soccer and anti-semitism have to do with Jesusland?
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Originally posted by Multi-Colored J Multi-Colored J wrote:

Originally posted by new002 new002 wrote:

Originally posted by Multi-Colored J Multi-Colored J wrote:

We are in Jesusland. Jesusland has nothing to do with racism. Please, go away.


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Was that a statement or a question? I think it was a question, so I shall dignify it with a response.

What the hell do soccer and anti-semitism have to do with Jesusland?

Hey, glad you asked.  It really is geared toward Clark Kent. I just was wondering his opinion since it is part of his sig.

 

 

Also, hey J,  read this part and check the links, man that is a pisser. Europe is not the open liberal society we all think it is.  I guess being a Canadian I don't see this kind of stuff up here so it shocks me a bit.

 However, blacks on the English national team often are the targets of terrible abuse when England plays on the continent. Yesterday, England played in Spain, a nation that surely is in the upper echelon of Euro-taste and sophistication. The blacks who played for England -- Ashley Cole, Shaun Wright-Phillips, and sub Jermaine Jenas -- faced a torrent of abuse throughout the match from the Madrid crowd, including chants of "monkey" and imitation monkey noises The same thing happened the day before when the England under 21 team played in Spain. One victim, Carlton Cole, complained that even little kids were joining in. Previously, the Spanish coach had made a racial slur about Thierry Henry, the French super-star who plays in England. And speaking of France, fans of the club St. Etienne physcially attacked opponent Bastia's black players after a match this weekend. Accounts of these disgraceful events can be found.



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^^ ya somone explain that?

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Well, I didn't read it because the font gave me a headache.

If you have a question for me, please state it and I may answer.

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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Well, I didn't read it because the font gave me a headache.

If you have a question for me, please state it and I may answer.

All what a lame excuse., your better then that CK.

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What does anything in Europe have to do with his sig. More importantly, why do you ignore my posts, which at least attempt a valid point/counterpoint discussion, while butting heads with the goon squad in the most innane, "I'm rubber and you're glue" sort of way.

Methinks I smell a professional troll.
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Thats only 1 of the countless reasons soccer is the worst sport ever.
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Originally posted by new002 new002 wrote:

Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Well, I didn't read it because the font gave me a headache.

If you have a question for me, please state it and I may answer.

All what a lame excuse., your better then that CK.

OK Clark, this is a larger font just for you. Although I don't see why you don't use copy and paste.  Hey you choose that picture for a reason, so lets hear it.

   Though many American liberals continue to regard Europe as a model of sophistication and humanism, and thus a great potential check on rampant U.S. "cowboyism," Europe actually is a bit of a fever swamp. There's nothing new about this -- think of pre-World War II Europe. The re-emergence of European anti-semitism, though under-reported, is no secret either. In truth, though, Europe was essentially racist even during the golden age of the former Western Europe. And I'm talking about anti-black racism, not just anti-Semitism. In fact, the appointment of Condi Rice to replace Colin Powell made me recall a remark that a friend of mine who lived in Europe made more than 30 years ago. He said that it would be decades before the U.S. could appoint a black Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense because the Europeans wouldn't take one seriously. Come to think of it, where is England's Rice or France's Powell?

Anyone who follows European soccer knows about European racism. By the mid-1960s viciously racist crowd behavior was basically a thing of the past in the U.S sporting scene. But it was just getting started in Europe. Black players were routinely abused by English fans for at least two more decades. Unfortunately, Everton fans were considered among the worst, although at least they could be won over by good play. In the famous 1966 World Cup match between North Korea and a Portuguese team full of African players, the Everton crowd cheered the players off the field.

Overt racism finally has mostly been vanquished from the English game. However, blacks on the English national team often are the targets of terrible abuse when England plays on the continent. Yesterday, England played in Spain, a nation that surely is in the upper echelon of Euro-taste and sophistication. The blacks who played for England -- Ashley Cole, Shaun Wright-Phillips, and sub Jermaine Jenas -- faced a torrent of abuse throughout the match from the Madrid crowd, including chants of "monkey" and imitation monkey noises The same thing happened the day before when the England under 21 team played in Spain. One victim, Carlton Cole, complained that even little kids were joining in. Previously, the Spanish coach had made a racial slur about Thierry Henry, the French super-star who plays in England. And speaking of France, fans of the club St. Etienne physcially attacked opponent Bastia's black players after a match this weekend. Accounts of these disgraceful events can be found.



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Ok, I read it.  Boring, and old news.

Your implied question about the picture in my sig:  I have that picture in my sig because it makes me laugh, and I like to share.

Was there anything else you wanted to know?

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Why does that make us not be Jesusland?  Did we not just make marriage safe from homosexuals in the name of Jesus?  Did we not just "vote our values" in the last election?  Did we not just unleash the most backward non-progressive bunch of evangelical apes since the dark ages upon ourselves?  By the way, those moral red states have a much higher rate of divorce that those evil blue one's do.  Bunch of hypocrites... 

 

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CK, I thnk your sig is funny and true. That's what we're becoming. And it's all because JFK, a democrat, fooled around with blacks rights and made the old confederacy angry. Now, since pretty much the entire south votes with them, they control the presidential office. The only way for a democrat to win is for them to be from a southern state. Check out the last few democratic presidents. Sothernors are mostly religious people along with most republicans. Welcome to Jesus land.



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How come no one ever picks on me?

/me jealous of CK mostly for his handsomely charming good looks.

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