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hmmm, i wonder how many Iraqi insurgents have done the same to us?
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My opinion is, you cant blame Bush because he didnt tell the soldier to shoot him, you have to blame the reason behind why he shot the man, maybe the man said if he didnt shoot him, he would kill the entire platoon........... think about it... maybe the guy didnt support fighting America but did it cause if he didnt he would have been killed, so intern he asked the US Marines to kill him so he could die in honor.

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Personally, I don't give a crap. Payback's a **edited**. I agree that most times people will make a bigger deal out of something when one of ours does something not so bad than when the enemy does something worse.
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Originally posted by VisionIMP VisionIMP wrote:

Its ok that the terrorists do it to the U.S soldiers, but once a U.S soldier does it to one of them, its a big crime. This world is so damn biased towards everything this country does it makes me sick.


Of course its a crime you fool, you dont just shoot an unarmed wounded man.
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After all that these  have done unless we need the prisoners then we shouldn't take any. Anyone with half a brain knows what I'm saying. Personally after this I don't care how many more wars we have just as long as people like this done with.

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There are a few key factors everyone who has posted here is missing...

We're talking about a Marine trained to kill in cold blood. (As if there's any other kind.) The human mind doesn't turn instinct on and off like a switch. Politicians and the media have no **edited**ing clue what your mind and body go through in combat.

It's all well and good to try and keep your men within certain barriers of conduct, but the fact is that holding back is not in the Marine's personality. It's not what they're trained to do.

Is it a bad thing to cap a wounded man on the floor? In the grand scheme of things, yes. Did it happen as the media is reporting it? Who knows. All they care about is reporting whatever will make a name for them personally. Thus, absolutely everything they say is suspect.

But whether it's true or not, it's possible. In fact, it's damned inevitable in time of war. To a man on the ground, an enemy looks like an enemy whether they're standing and shooting or lying down and bleeding.
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Not to mention the various things the wounded man may have done to egg it on... Still, not an ideal circumstance, but I'm guessing the Marine had more cause than spite.
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Sandman........... you are brilliant

and i mean that in a good way, you have summed it up perfectly



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Beautiful, couldn't have said it better. Someone should frame this.      

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Wow, you guys are so Fing naive

NONE of you know what it's like over there, not even I do...

NONE of you know what really happened, i don't give an f for the video, i've seen it in whole...

To shed some light on this whole thing...

Marines get killed everyday becasue some dumba$$ Iraqi insurgent thinks it's a good idea to either act dead and shot someone when they come near or booby-trap dead bodies to blow people up. Also, the marine in question was shot in the face the other day...

I whole heartedly agree with what the marine did, couse the guy he shot WAS an insurgent
Once and enemy, always an enemy, the guy could have made a quick movement that the marine thought as fatal, I would have reacted the same way


And until you guys are actually over there fighting for our country, don't critique, if you don't liek how something is, DO IT YOURSELF!
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It is amazing how individuals who have never seen the face of war are the first to judge. Question for all, how many of you have shot a teammate in an adrenaline haste moment? Not the same thing by imagine being under real fire for days, and in his shoes.

Under the rules of combat which each american soldier/marine is aware, an enemy who in his judgement can inflict injury or death upon himself or his unit the soldier/marine can and is expected to use lethal force to eliminate such threat. Several examples of "sleepers" or booby trapped bodies made this situation just that a potential lethal threat to the marine and or his unit, and he eliminated that threat.

Now my suggestion to keep this from happening again is to enlist the "volunteer" help of our news media to assist in these situations and armed with their "rule" book and the knowledge of how good these people are can assist the marines by themselves searching these bodies or wounded, knowing deep in their liberal hearts that they are safe from any threat of these unarmed iraqi insurgents, as they roll them over.

Get a clue people



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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

It is amazing how individuals who have never seen the face of war are the first to judge. Question for all, how many of you have shot a teammate in an adrenaline haste moment? Not the same thing by imagine being under real fire for days, and in his shoes.

Under the rules of combat which each american soldier/marine is aware, an enemy who in his judgement can inflict injury or death upon himself or his unit the soldier/marine can and is expected to use lethal force to eliminate such threat. Several examples of "sleepers" or booby trapped bodies made this situation just that a potential lethal threat to the marine and or his unit, and he eliminated that threat.

Now my suggestion to keep this from happening again is to enlist the "volunteer" help of our news media to assist in these situations and armed with their "rule" book and the knowledge of how good these people are can assist the marines by themselves searching these bodies or wounded, knowing deep in their liberal hearts that they are safe from any threat of these unarmed iraqi insurgents, as they roll them over.

Get a clue people

dude, u must not have been reading what every1 wrote, everyone in here is saying the same thing you just said...... we have a clue.


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Originally posted by evil_fingers evil_fingers wrote:

Originally posted by munky! munky! wrote:

Originally posted by VisionIMP VisionIMP wrote:

Its ok that the terrorists do it to the U.S soldiers, but once a U.S soldier does it to one of them, its a big crime. This world is so damn biased towards everything this country does it makes me sick.
ok now lets flip that around, waht did us troops do to iraqi soldiers


What Iraqi soldier are you talkin bout?



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Originally posted by Fatman Lash Fatman Lash wrote:

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

It is amazing how individuals who have never seen the face of war are the first to judge. Question for all, how many of you have shot a teammate in an adrenaline haste moment? Not the same thing by imagine being under real fire for days, and in his shoes. Under the rules of combat which each american soldier/marine is aware, an enemy who in his judgement can inflict injury or death upon himself or his unit the soldier/marine can and is expected to use lethal force to eliminate such threat. Several examples of "sleepers" or booby trapped bodies made this situation just that a potential lethal threat to the marine and or his unit, and he eliminated that threat. Now my suggestion to keep this from happening again is to enlist the "volunteer" help of our news media to assist in these situations and armed with their "rule" book and the knowledge of how good these people are can assist the marines by themselves searching these bodies or wounded, knowing deep in their liberal hearts that they are safe from any threat of these unarmed iraqi insurgents, as they roll them over. Get a clue people


dude, u must not have been reading what every1 wrote, everyone in here is saying the same thing you just said...... we have a clue.



we have a clue? have you ever been in any branch of the armed forces? have you ever been in war?

Hey OS, good to see you again.
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When an Iraqi kills an unarmed person it's an act of terrorism. However, when a Marine kills an unarmed person it's payback? What a great line of logic.
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Originally posted by Fatman Lash Fatman Lash wrote:

Sandman........... you are brilliant


and i mean that in a good way, you have summed it up perfectly



It's not brilliance. It's personal experience.

Having served both in the United States Marine Corps and in high risk Law Enforcement, I haven't seen the kind of combat OS has, but I've seen enough to know why the media and the general public doesn't get it.
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Roger that, good to see you, OS.

We had an official unofficial policy within our platoon - prisoners upon request ONLY. Otherwise, they were a threat to me, my platoon, and my mission. I feel this Marine should be applauded for protecting the lives of his comrades, not chastised and brought into the media spotlight for doing his JOB.
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Imagine this... You and your buds are sitting in a bar trying to drink away your memories of those of your group that aren't coming back - including the one whose face you personally saw explode in a red mist. You're a sheet and a half to the wind when a toddler in diapers walks into the bar strapped with explosives, killing half a dozen more of your brothers.

Now fast forward to the next village you enter, after a firefight that took two more guys down. The people there are throwing rocks and curses at you. Do you see innocent civilians? Hell no. You see the enemy.

It's one loose trigger, one very thin strand of mental sanity away from leveling the whole place and calling it justified because every single person there would attack and kill you if they could.

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The opposition force is at least 50% at fault for causing events like this. They plant the seeds that grow into war crimes of this nature.

Personally, I'm shocked at the restraint the vast majority of our armed forces display. It's the mark of an elite and exceptionally disciplined group the likes of which the rest of the world only wishes they had.
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