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Originally posted by evil_fingers evil_fingers wrote:

Originally posted by adrenalinejunky adrenalinejunky wrote:

Not directly related to the specific incident, but something i saw on another forum i frequent that pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter...
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Im sitting here watching MSNBC and they are talking about, suprise suprise, Fallujah. Anyway, I think its absolutely disgusting that the media is allowed so close to actuall fighting! Now, they are grilling some Marines and Soldiers for killing the enemy! Are you insane? One Marine in question apparently shot an insurgent, even though he appeared wounded. Well guess what CNN and so forth........these holes are booby trapping themselves with explosives, so when they are shot, they can detonate themselves when the American troops go to aid them, as per the damned Geneva Conventions. This particular Marine was actually SHOT IN THE FACE THE DAY BEFORE! HELLO?!?!?! Anyone out there in media-land listening to this? This man was shot in the face, and one day later, at his own request, was back out fighting the enemy! Why dont you lazy arm chair quarterbacks get off your butts and get the stories that matter out to the public. In your search to be so friggen politically correct, all you do it make us look like barbarians. Then you bring on so called military experts who are nothing more than tree hugging pansies, liberals at that! Come on, be fair to the troops and let them do their jobs. Apparently you losers arent familiar with the mentality of "better him than me." These insurgents could just do the right thing and let the new Iraqi government take over.......if you really want us out so bad, then sit down and shut up! If you want to attack us, then be prepared to reap the fury of the beast! And to the media, this is war, its not a friggen Candyland game, okay? Shut your stupid cameras off and shove them somewhere the sun dont shine. I was interviewed by the media when I got home last year from the war and had no problem doing so, but it seems like now the American public doesnt have enough drama with Jerry Springer and all the reality shows, they want to know everything thats going on over there. Well I personally dont think people should know everything, if you want to know, join the military, until then, shut up and watch Survivor. Hindsight is a . If I wouldve known how the media would try and portray us when we are just doing our jobs over there, I wouldve told them to kiss my and get the away from me and my family. Its not fair at all. You know the worst part? We here more about fricken Iraqis who are being killed for attacking us then we do about American heroes who lay their lives down for this country. How many times does Fox News, CNN or anyone else show pictures and names of those brave Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for the USA? How about a little salute and tribute to honor them? So a few Iraqis got stripped and had pics taken, OH NO! Guys like that were flying planes into our buildings, taking hostages, cutting off heads and bombing crap for years and now we have to be nicey nice with them? I would never shed a tear for the media personel captured over there, they shouldnt be there. I think Ive seen 2 or 3 National Geographic reporters who traveled with the 3rd ID into Iraq last year who actually seemed to care........other than that, they are out for a story........how ironic that their capture becomes their best story ever! GET OUT AND LEAVE US TO DO OUR JOBS!

I totally agree on what that person is sayin and I dont blame his anger towards the media.....

I agree, although, It was a lil hard on Fox, they aren't Liberal (with a few exceptions)

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This will generate the Liberal War bashing party with a tie to Bush. War is dangerous and people die. Now we are continuing to put soldiers on trail. We should pull out the Media.
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Why pull them out, give them a rifle and have them see what our men and women are seeing first hand....
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i love how there are military papparazzi now that pop up to video tape the US military behaving badly...

you put someone in fallujah with an M16 and don't expect them to shoot people? i don't know about you but if someone shoots at me and then drops their weapon like "oh please don't shoot" they're still getting 2 in the chest 1 in the head on principle... an enemy isn't a non-combatant unless he's dead...

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Originally posted by VisionIMP VisionIMP wrote:

Its ok that the terrorists do it to the U.S soldiers, but once a U.S soldier does it to one of them, its a big crime. This world is so damn biased towards everything this country does it makes me sick.


ok now lets flip that around, waht did us troops do to iraqi soldiers
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Say it like this too.....if a insurgent had a US Soldier held captive and there was  reporter there, would the insurgent kill the US soldier in front of the report....HELL YEAH he would, whos the reporter gonna report to....his superiors, yeah right!

 

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ya, but the iraqis have a reson, they want you out (omg dont flame me...).

but why would you murder somone infront of a news reporter... geez what an idiot
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This is another ugly face of war. Was the Joe who punched that insurgents ticket justified? Yep. Having been shot in the face the day before, the knowlege that dead and wounded have been booby trapped, and add the adrenaline, sleep deprivation and shell shock on top of that, and things like this will happen. The environment itself causes people to do things like this that are a terrible reality of warfare. Actions that will be regretted later.

This will unfortuneatly cost us. Public relations will be set back. More hostages could be executed in retaliation. The media is realy gonna screw this up even worse. They will not paint a fair picture of what happened. Already there is talk of possible criminal charges. This poor G.I. is gonna fry for doing his job of snuffing someone who would have killed him, other soldiers or inocent civillians.

Sad thing is, they should not have returned the soldier to combat after being shot in the face the day before. Somthing like that is bound to traumatize a person. Evaltuations and such should be peformed to make sure that the soldier does not go back out with a case of the ass and an itchy trigger finger. They definately need to oust the media from those combat units. They endager the lives of soldiers just through the distraction they cause. The p.r. poblems that they cause are not worth it.

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the media probibly exagerated being shot in the face, it was probibly like richochet that skimed his cheek or somthing...
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take no chances he guy could have been wired with enough explosives to take the building down and kill probably 20 U.S. soldiers or kill one guy who was fightin against us. i say we go with "He's dead now." Philosphy


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Originally posted by munky! munky! wrote:

Originally posted by VisionIMP VisionIMP wrote:

Its ok that the terrorists do it to the U.S soldiers, but once a U.S soldier does it to one of them, its a big crime. This world is so damn biased towards everything this country does it makes me sick.


ok now lets flip that around, waht did us troops do to iraqi soldiers

What Iraqi soldier are you talkin bout?

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oh no... one of our troops killed one of the people that were shooting at him before... who cares. 
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Originally posted by munky! munky! wrote:

the media probibly exagerated being shot in the face, it was probibly like richochet that skimed his cheek or somthing...

Possibly. Does that make it less tramatizing? No. Psychological well being is important to an effective soldier. He listens to orders better, thinks more clearly, and is better prepared to defend his own life and his comrades in battle. Combat stress can take a huge toll on a soldiers ability to make rational decisions. This incedent appears to be a shining example. Even if he was not shot the day before, the stress of combat alone without injuries can cause one to lose his marbs for long enough to make a bad decision. Think about your best freind taking a shot to the dome in front of you, and try and be rational. The sight of dead bodies alone is more than most can take.

These guys are living in hell, and the statement you just made seems to somewhat trivialize what he has (for sure) gone through.



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Hades....isnt that pic from a scene from Silence of the Lambs?
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He was only unarmed because the Liberal media 's said he was unarmed. If the media said otherwise, they'd be jobless because thats the only thing most of the US public wants to hear.
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I bet that terrorist was wallhacking anyway, serves him right.
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If they announce who it was that shot the insurgent, then I am going to send him and his family flowers.
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Originally posted by evil_fingers evil_fingers wrote:

Hades....isnt that pic from a scene from Silence of the Lambs?

nope... the prequel to silence... the title escapes me... dragon somethin or another...

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I cant agree more with adrenalinejunky and the others. War isn't beautiful, it isn't a seseame street special and it isn't a place to nitpick every single encounter with the enemy.

You hesitate, you die - its that simple.

This shouldn't be much of a surprise, though. The media made it unquestionable clear where they stood during this year's election - anywhere Bush isn't. (Fox being the exception)

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