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    Posted: 18 August 2004 at 4:56pm
Well after taking a look through the marker gallery I saw several poor picturtes that didn't do their guns justice. Therefor I bring my photography knowledge unto you.

  1. never use a black background. I know you get your picture taken like that at a studio, but they have flash technology your average digi doesn't posses.
  2. Avoid using a flash altogether. I know it sounds odd, but its better to just avoid a flash at all. Tippmann's are almost all black, and they won't pick up much of the light from the flash. Shiny guns just send back a glare. Its better off to use a well lit area and turn off the flash. If you have a desk lamp then aim that at your gun. With a digital cameras, they usually have flash compensators, this means that when you use a flash it will purposely make the rest of the picture darker. Little details won't show up and so on.
  3. Use a backdrop. Backdrop??? Sure, everyone has a backdrop in their room, unless you sleep on a bare matress. Use a sheet for a backdrop. It won't reflect light like glossy paper, but it will make a contrast for your gun, especially darker colored guns.     Whats that??? Your gun is white? Then use a colored towel. Light blue and green work good for this.
  4. Never take a picture straight on. Picture with just a side profile are getting boring. There is nothing going on in your picture. It really makes it look boring. Never just lay your gun on the floor and aim straight down either. Its boring. Instead try this. Drape the sheet off the side of your bed, down the side, and out onto the floor, now set your ASA/drop on the floor and lean against your bed. Now take a picture at an angle. Don't forget to check for glare.
  5. 2/3 rule. Not neccasary but looks cooler. This is more for close-ups of details. Make imaginary lines a third of the way in each direction on your camera. They make a box in the middle. Put whatever your focusing on inside that box. Any bigger and its overwhelming. Any smaller and you can't see it.
  6. Don't photoshop unless you REALLY know what you are doing. It will be obviuous. The only thing I use photoshop for on my photos is to crop and to shrink the image size (my camera takes 1280x1124, i shrink to around 600x800). Also a pet peeve of my own. I'm really sick of people photochopping items onto their guns. The pictures just look hokey and stupid. Pleas don't post junk like that. We would rather see your gun when its done, not what its going to look like.
With these skills the Marker Gallery should benefit. Hope I gave some ideas. Feel free to contribute.


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ruke 2 and 4 are wrong and should not be taking seriously.

the reason the flash exists is so the camera can still be set to a fast shutter speed. without the automatic flash most pictures will turn out blurry, unless the photo is taken in a WELL LIT area, in know this was stated above however but not using the flash should be less a priority than anything else.

angled photos are annoying because it is difficult to see exactly what is on the paintball gun. uf you want ot pretend to have artistc talent by taking a angled photograph of your marker includ a perpindicular profile shot of the gun aswell.
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side shots are just getting boring. Plus those arn't really that important. I've seen too many guns that you can barely see because of low light, black carpet, 98's.
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I have only one discrepancy with your list there. If you know what you are doing, a black background can work to your advantage. Bright guns on brigh backgrounds take away from the actual color you are trying to show.

So basically, if you have a very bright colored gun, use a dark background to contrast. If you have a dark gun, use a lighter background to again create the contrast.

And I couldn't agree with you more on the Photoshop deal. It annoys me to no end when people show off their "super ultra mecha leet" photoshop skills.

Which falls faster, a lead ball or your IQ after reading some of these posts?

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Yeah, ignore the VA, please. Even I am unhappy with it. As of right now I don't have time to address it.

But I was more posting that picture as being the low end of acceptable. That is in 640x480 resolution. Anything below that ends up looking like garbage.

I feel that my picture should be the low end setting for posting an image. It's not great, but it's still clear enough to tell what is going on in there.
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That pic looks like crap..perfect example.

It doesn't show the quality of the paint job or any details.

Pic1 2 3

even with these resized pics you can see a huge difference in the quality.



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As I said, it's is the lowest quality that should be posted.

For posting on the internet, it shows enough detail to get the idea across.

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hmmmmm.... For average photographing equipment those are very good suggestions.


Might I add a suggestion though:


If you choose to use a desk light or any smaller focused light like that, Try takeing a old white T-shirt and Wrapping just one layer around the light, This will soften the light so it wont over power your gun as much, It also whitens the light since I'm sure most of you wont be using white light, rather yellow light.


Photographers use similiar things for their gear, called Soft boxes, Basically when you use the T-shirt you are applieing the same conept as those big white umbrellas you see infront of photographers lights.

And never, Ever, EVER, backlight your subject, Unless you want a sillouete



Just a suggestion.








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More digital cam tips you should know is your aperture. Your F-Stop helps regulate your Depth Of Feild (DOF), the lower the F-Stop the lesser DOF (this is for members who produce an image that is halfway out of focus between the forground and the backround).

Know how to control your ISO! This helps your exposure.Remember, the greater the ISO the less light is needed to expose (More ISO= More "grain" or "noise").

Lastly, your white balance (or your cam's color alignment system for CCD devices).Since light has different temperatures measured in Kelvin degrees, the camera's overall perception of what is "WHITE" is different between a 6000K and a 10000K light.The best way to "balance" this is to take a white peice of paper and hold is up to the camera lens and it should automatically adjust it's CCD settings or you may have to tell the camera manually (depends on what kind of a digital camera you have).

Well, i hope that clears up some "camera problems" for some people. Have fun! 

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Originally posted by LbLPunk LbLPunk wrote:

man isnt there a camera that you dont have to worry about any light settings at all?

Not really... the way we percieve an image and it's color(s) is entirely different from the human eye's perception of vision and color. Under certain color temperatures of light, colors tend to differ from one temperature to another. For instance,a BLUE color under a 1000K light (which is equal to a firelight or candlelight) appears differently than a BLUE under a 6000K light (which is equal to bright sunlight, clear skies).

To a digital camera, it uses images sensors called a CCD (Charged Coupled Device) and a CMOS (Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor) to help it determine an image's color(s).

Now work with me here and you might learn something. The CCD sensors capture the image and then acts as a conveyor belt fo the data that defines the image. These sensors use an array of pixels arranged in a specific pattern that gather light and translate it into an electrical voltage. When the voltage information has been collected by each pixel, the data conveyor belt goes into action. ONLY THE ROW OF PIXELS ADJACENT TO THE  READOUT REGISTERS CAN ACTUALLY BE READ! After the first row of data is read, the data from all other pixels is shifted over on the conveyor belt so that the next row moves into position to be read, and so on.

I hope that answers your question in full COLOR!  

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2/3 rule. Not neccasary but looks cooler. This is more for close-ups of details. Make imaginary lines a third of the way in each direction on your camera. They make a box in the middle. Put whatever your focusing on inside that box. Any bigger and its overwhelming. Any smaller and you can't see it.

Actually, it's called the Rule of Thirds, not the 2/3 rule.


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This is probaly pointless posting in this thread, but I will.

Do you have big pics over 1200 x more or less pixels? We dont need to see every spec of dust on your gun, but most of you guys cant or dont know how to resize. For us with dial-up connections it takes a while to load these, and its quite annoying. So I will gladly resize, crop, brighten, hue (make the pic all color shaded or black and white), or add text to them for you. I will resize them down to a practical 640x480, and crop out any unecessary backround for you. Just PM me with your pre-hosted big pics (Id prefer tumbnails, but it doesnt really matter) and Ill have them ready within the day.

Think I should consider a sticky on this?

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Unless you don't want to shoot outside, always shoot in the sun, best light ever, and if your picky shoot right AFTER sunrise or right BEFORE sunset (not during). During those times the sun has to travel through a lot more atmosphere and produces a softer light which casts a lighter shadow (as aposed to shooting at high noon). Shooting with a flash does suck bad, but is great for ametuer photographers. Do not hand hold a camera shooting indoors without a flash unless you know what your doing. If your are using a digital camera, go to your white balance settings and change it to tungsen (spelling?), this tells the camera you are not shooting at a nice studio and that you are using household lights. Ahhh nevermind... photography is such a trial and error process and I am still learning it myself, just shoot until it looks good and if you don't use a flash get the camera on a tripod or rest it on a table or it will blur (indoors). And photoshop users that are not pro, try the "Auto color, contrast" commands. You should be the judge if it helped or not though.

"Photographers use similiar things for their gear, called Soft boxes, Basically when you use the T-shirt you are applieing the same conept as those big white umbrellas you see infront of photographers lights."

^try that, it could help.

As for manually white balancing your camera, it is good to try and see what happens, if it looks good keep it. Pro photographers have cards that are a little off-white on purpose depending on what they are shooting. A card for skin would barely be tinted red or blue so you don't look pale and what not.

I'm still a learner in this area, feel free to disagree, I'd like to hear what you have to say.

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who gives a crap about the stupid picture takings!
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i don't care, but if somebody takes a bad picture they're doing it to themselves. Making their gun look bad, and making themselves look stupid.

good tips though The Guy!!! good job!!!



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wow, i wish i would have thought of this forum while i was still in photography class lol.  I dont remember everything now, still wish i had a camera in the first place though lol.  When i do finish my gun ill be posting pics with the help of my friends father who is an entrepenuer in the photography business, if you know about the show trading spaces on tlc he films that sometimes.  He was gone for a while during elections because he had to cover some of that.  Guess im lucky to have friends with cool dads lol.
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This is way too much to read.



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Originally posted by The Guy The Guy wrote:

side shots are just getting boring. Plus those arn't really that important. I've seen too many guns that you can barely see because of low light, black carpet, 98's.

Guy,

How do you think mine turned out?

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i keep on thinking that this topic is called "Pornography 101"
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