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    Posted: 06 August 2004 at 7:15am

I'm sure by now most of you all know what happened, but incase you don't here it is in a shortened version.

In an effort to get back at Colorado's Steve Moore, Bertuzzi hit him in the back of the head pushing him to the ice and punch him repeatedly.  All this caused if I remember correctly, bad cuts, a concussion, and something in his neck or spine(can't remember) was broken, something that they wernt sure if he would play again.

So thats what happened, and now the NHL has to decide whether or not to let him back in.  So what do you think

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Just to point out, I dont think the punch from Bertuzzi was what broke Steve Moore's neck. I think it was the takedown followed by half of each team jumping on him and Bertuzzi's back.

Now, should Bertuzzi be allowed to play again. I say yes. Hockey is a sport that allows fighting. If you are going to get rid of Bertuzzi because he was taking on the enforcer role, then you have to get rid of that role from the game completely. Say bye bye to Domi, Warrel, Oliwa, Brasher, etc.

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Well either way, the hit on Nasland or whoever by Moore couldn't have been that big of a deal (I know he was out for a few games) but I hadn't heard anything about it till Bertuzzi retaliated, so I think he crossed the line, a fight would have been resonable but you don't attack a guy from behind.

Also if Bertuzzi wouldn't have attacked him at all, whether it was Bertuzzi breaking his neck or everyone jumping on him, it wouldn't have happened at all.

Thats my opinion, come on more voting!

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^^The problem with what happened was that Steve Moore didn't want to fight Bertuzzi. If you watched the entire tape, you could see Bertuzzi following Moore around, tugging at his jersey and telling him to turn around and fight him. Moore didn't. Bertuzzi got frustrated, threw a punch, and the rest is history. Now, do I approve or condone what Bertuzzi did, no, but still, he didn't intend for Moore to get hurt the way he did. Bertuzzi was just doing his job.

And just another thought, your avatar doesn't exactly support what you're arguing for there American.

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I know he didn't want to fight, so if I was Bertuzzi I would keep instigating it until Moore did want to fight, not knock him down from behind because he got frustrated lol.

Also about my avater, there were several fights going on at one time, and Lemiux found himself unable to get in position to fight so I guess he was owned, also Mccarty wasn't banned for the rest of the season, and Mccarty didn't get a police report, unlike Bertuzzi

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^^You totally missed the point. What if McCarty had broken Lemiux's neck by punching him in the back of the head like that. It's essentially the same thing that Bertuzzi did. Just because there were other fights going on doesn't make it ok. There were fights all through that Vancouver game. The only reason why Bertuzzi's is bad is because someone actually got hurt. Hence, Bertuzzi being made an example of.

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no, he nearly killed that guy he should be ban


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Darren McCarty
Career: Games Played:643    PIM(Penilty Minutes):1275

Todd Bertuzzi
Career: Games Played:628    PIM:911

Who's a bigger hockey goon? McCarty's got more PIM, and honestly, has taken far more runs at people than Bertuzzi has. Heck, McCarty took out 2 Flames in last years playoffs. A vicious hit to Marc Savard's knee, and a disgusting eblow to the head Ronald Petrovicky. That was in the same game too.

So am I the only one that realizes that Bertuzzi is being punished cause his enforcing actually really hurt someone?


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i think ive heard of this.remember the donald brashear and marty mc sorely?
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I'm from Colorado, so this was on our front pages for weeks after it happened.

How many of you know that criminal charges have been filed against Bertuzzi? He may be in jail, let alone worrying about whether he can play hockey.

I'd say his punishment should be tied directly to Steve Moore's condition. If Steve Moore never plays hockey again, neither does Bertuzzi. When Moore comes back, so can Bertuzzi.

It was a complete cheap shot, not a fight.
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Originally posted by KillerCanuk KillerCanuk wrote:

Just to point out, I dont think the punch from Bertuzzi was what broke Steve Moore's neck. I think it was the takedown followed by half of each team jumping on him and Bertuzzi's back.

Now, should Bertuzzi be allowed to play again. I say yes. Hockey is a sport that allows fighting. If you are going to get rid of Bertuzzi because he was taking on the enforcer role, then you have to get rid of that role from the game completely. Say bye bye to Domi, Warrel, Oliwa, Brasher, etc.


I completely agree.  If everything happened, except Moore didn't get hurt at all, NO ONE WOULD HAVE CARED.

It was just unfortunate that he ended up getting hurt.

Although to be honest, I'd love to see some of the enforcers play more hockey.  Domi was great in the playoffs, because he wasn't focused on destroying anyone in his way.

In any event, he should be allowed to play.

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^^^
Your totally right, it wasnt a fight, he wasnt being an "enforcer" by punching him in the back of the head. It was a total cheap shot. Bertuzzi should be allowed to play if Moore is able to play again.

And kind of a side note, I dont remember half the team jumping on Bertuzzis back when he took down Moore, I only remember like 2 people jumping on Bertuzzin and pulling him off.

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Originally posted by The American The American wrote:

In an effort to get back at Colorado's Steve Moore, Bertuzzi hit him in the back of the head pushing him to the ice and punch him repeatedly.  All this caused if I remember correctly, bad cuts, a concussion, and something in his neck or spine(can't remember) was broken, something that they wernt sure if he would play again.


He also needed surgery on his face to repair alot of the rips and tears from when he was slidding on the ice.


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Originally posted by Funky Funky wrote:

Originally posted by KillerCanuk KillerCanuk wrote:

Just to point out, I dont think the punch from
Bertuzzi was what broke Steve Moore's neck. I think it was the takedown
followed by half of each team jumping on him and Bertuzzi's back.
Now, should Bertuzzi be allowed to play again. I say yes. Hockey is
a sport that allows fighting. If you are going to get rid of Bertuzzi
because he was taking on the enforcer role, then you have to get rid of
that role from the game completely. Say bye bye to Domi, Warrel, Oliwa,
Brasher, etc.


I completely agree.  If everything happened, except Moore didn't get hurt at all, NO ONE WOULD HAVE CARED.

It was just unfortunate that he ended up getting hurt.

Although to be honest, I'd love to see some of the enforcers play more
hockey.  Domi was great in the playoffs, because he wasn't focused
on destroying anyone in his way.

In any event, he should be allowed to play.


Perhaps... But the results are a big part of the punishment. Drunk drivers don't MEAN to kill people, but they're still guilty of Vehicular Homicide when they do.

When you take cheap shots and risk hurting other people like this, you're accepting responsibility for the result.
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To attract more fans the NHL has combined Hockey and Boxing into one sport.

I think that Moore should decide.


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Originally posted by SandMan SandMan wrote:

Originally posted by Funky Funky wrote:

Originally posted by KillerCanuk KillerCanuk wrote:

Just to point out, I dont think the punch from
Bertuzzi was what broke Steve Moore's neck. I think it was the takedown
followed by half of each team jumping on him and Bertuzzi's back.
Now, should Bertuzzi be allowed to play again. I say yes. Hockey is
a sport that allows fighting. If you are going to get rid of Bertuzzi
because he was taking on the enforcer role, then you have to get rid of
that role from the game completely. Say bye bye to Domi, Warrel, Oliwa,
Brasher, etc.


I completely agree.  If everything happened, except Moore didn't get hurt at all, NO ONE WOULD HAVE CARED.

It was just unfortunate that he ended up getting hurt.

Although to be honest, I'd love to see some of the enforcers play more
hockey.  Domi was great in the playoffs, because he wasn't focused
on destroying anyone in his way.

In any event, he should be allowed to play.


Perhaps... But the results are a big part of the punishment. Drunk drivers don't MEAN to kill people, but they're still guilty of Vehicular Homicide when they do.

When you take cheap shots and risk hurting other people like this, you're accepting responsibility for the result.


I do agree with that, but what about everyone else in the leauge who do the same thing, but get away scotch free. Even if a drunk driver doesn't kill anyone, they still get punished. Why shouldn't it be the same with hockey.

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And this injury may very well bring about such changes...
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^^Like I said a little further up. He's going to be made an example of.

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he made a mistake, he should get a second chance, he did the right thing in the wrong way. emotions were flowing and he was trying to get his team fired up by fighting moore and when moore did not fight he got pissed off. they were getting killed. if he does play again hopefully he has learned to control himself better. and hopefully this will teach some other players to control themselves  
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