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Poll Question: Should a mother have the option to abort a healthy fetus?
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Only for christians.
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I got a laugh out of it
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pmoney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2005 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Pmoney Pmoney wrote:

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An intelligent post deserves an intelligent reply.  Give me a couple of days to think it over.

Sure.

Now, I know that there were still some people trying to say that a growing child is still part of his or her mother's body.  How do you explain that when the baby has unique DNA, an often different blood type, independent organ systems (once enough time has elapsed for development), his/her own unique brain waves, and the mother has no control over its movement?

And for whoever it was that was wondering when a human is a human...I personally believe that life begins at conception. All the blueprints (DNA) are there for that unique individual, all he/she needs is time.  Why isn't the zygote a person at that stage?  I guess I'll go smash some bald eagle eggs if they're not really eagles yet, protected by law... (Explanation: It sometimes seems that humans care more about "saving the seals" than our own people...not to say we shouldn't care about other animals, just that things need to be brought into perspective to human life vs. other animal life)

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I hear abortions tickle
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To Dune: I laughed out loud at the ending of Passion. I felt bad because Persephone was crying on my shoulder. I laughed not because the actor that represented Christ was killed, but the actress that was playing Mary Magdaline stares into the camera for several seconds. I happened to notice her eyes were partly crossed. Everyone in the theater didnt appreciate me laughing but I didnt care.

I didnt earn Brownie points with Persephone with at move.

I like how The Passion is being 'rerelease' in the theaters. What a scam, this move is purely for profit. They reshow it close to Easter with less of the violence so that every Christian can go spend their money re-watching it. Do this every year, the profits will never stop. I wish I had thought of such a scam.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AdmiralSenn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2005 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:


I like how The Passion is being 'rerelease' in the theaters. What a scam, this move is purely for profit. They reshow it close to Easter with less of the violence so that every Christian can go spend their money re-watching it. Do this every year, the profits will never stop. I wish I had thought of such a scam.


A scam? People were afraid to watch it because of the violence. Re-releasing it for Easter is no more a scam than Easter pageants in churches across the world. It's just more public and better-funded.

Yes, Mel Gibson made a lot of money off of this, but that doesn't mean his motives are corrupt. I think he did the original and the re-release out of personal conviction.

And I also really doubt that it's all Christians re-watching it. Most that I know either bought the DVD or are never watching it again.

To Dune: I can take religion jokes, just not really offensive ones. Calling Jesus' death a happy event (not the resurrection, just the death itself) isn't funny to me. I can take tons of religious humor (at about a Family Guy level), but that crosses the line for most people I know. I can take a joke, just not that one.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clark Kent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2005 at 11:39pm
I tend to agree with Senn on this...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2005 at 12:25am
To each his own. You're offended by my joke, while I'm offended by religion's lies. Sorry if it bugged you, but I care as much about religion as you do for athiests. It's funny to me and others.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clark Kent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2005 at 9:44am

It's not the joke that is offensive - it is the making of the joke.

I am all in favor of mocking religion, and I consider no subject off-limits for humor - but I am also in favor of common courtesy.  This population is populated with a large number of very religious people.  Knowing that, posts/sigs/jokes whose sole raison d'etre is to offend religious people is simply rude.

Offending somebody by speaking your piece or expressing your opinion in a discussion is one things.  Going out of your way to make people mad - that's just rude.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zesty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2005 at 10:30am
I really don't think he was going out his way to make people mad, just making a joke in poor taste that got everybodies panties in a wad.

I swear, religious people can't really take any sort of disrespect....they act like they are owed more common courtesy than the average heathen.

It's okay for all these religious people to tella non-believer they're going to hell, but make a little joke about the death of Christ and you get a bunch of Bible-toters jumping on your hump.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clark Kent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2005 at 10:46am

lol - agree with that too.  I'm just one big agree-machine today.

Maybe we should all just relax a little.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zesty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2005 at 10:48am
^Damn, Badsmitty really does keep you nice and drugged-up!

I gotta start hanging out with that guy.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zesty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2005 at 10:51am
If anybody that was around then remembers, I was one of those people that was all pissed at Patrick for faking his death.

I just didn't see the humor in it, so I flamed him relentlessly(even though he didn't care).

This is kinda the same situation, except I'm taking the other side of the argument now! Nice.

Seriously though, some of the joke attampts around here are pretty horrible at times....mine included.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2005 at 10:56am
The fact that it does cause such an uproar, while in poor taste, is hilarious because it shouldn't. If you spend all your time being respectful, while still being told "have fun in hell," then I deserve a little time to lash back. I don't take things personally, because they are a difference in belief systems, so this shouldn't be taken personally either.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clark Kent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:00am

True dat.  But there is a happy medium between funny and intentionally offensive.  I am not always sure where that middle points is (and I often miss), but I believe that it is courteous to at least try.

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^Exactly.

For some reason I shouldn't be offended by being told I have no faith and am going to hell, while I can't criticize some dude for believing a chick got knocked-up without being penetrated and her miraculous son rose from the dead.

And I'm the one whose weird/wrong!

Oh well, smoke another one I guess.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zesty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:05am
My bad, I was responding to Dune's post.

Damnit Clark Kent, take a hike with all your classiness and respect....that crap doesn't fly around here.
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Back to abortion for the moment...

Lets meet "Laurie." Laurie's father was a sexual predator.

     "Starting from when she was nine(later on, Laurie remembered abuse from when she was much younger), Laurie's father had forced her to have sex with him. She wasnt the first daughter he'd done this to. He'd raped his oldest daughter, Mary, until she was in her midteens.... There were six children all together, two brother, four sisters. Another sister Florrie, was retarted. After the father moved on from raping the oldest sister, Mary, and whenever the father wasnt raping Laurie, he was raping Florrie instead... All those years, he never stopped raping and sodomizing Laurie. Laurie was 31 years old now, and it was still happening..."
     Over the course of 30 years, Laurie had become pregnant by her father twice and had to have two abortions. "Laurie's father refused to allow her to use any birth control devices when he raped her. When he impregnated her, she had an abortion. She was a nurse. She knew the medical consequences for incest babies.     
     "After the abortion, Laurie hid from her father the birth contol pills she been taking against medical advice. She was one of those women for whom the pill was dangerous. To Laurie it was the lesser risk. Laurie lost the medical gamble... before her 13th birthday she had a stroke. While she was recovering, her father was happier with her than he had ever been. He took care of her. She was too weak to fight him in any way. To him it seemed like she'd completely given in. Later he told her that he was sorry she had recovered."
     "After she regained her strengh, Laurie's father impregnated her again, deliberately. He tracked her cycle. He chose the most likely time for her to get pregnant and insisted on repeated sex. She had a second abortion."
    "Laurie was raised Catholic. She never forgave herself for the abortions."

Taken from Sex Crimes, Alice Vachss. Random House, New York, 1993.

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Laurie was a nurse at 13?
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Yeah, I thought it was a little odd the way it was worded in the book too. That was a direct quote from it.

I think it was a poor decision by the author to put that sentence there becuase it was confusing to me as well. What I think the author was trying to say that because Laurie became a nurse after the two abortions occured, she was still unable to forgive herself of the abortions even with the later knowledge of the risk of bearing children of an incest relationship.

My purpose for the clip from the book was to illustrate to those that oppose abortion even in the instance of rape or to the person that said that pregnancy rarely occurs from rape. This lady had it happen twice...

It might be a weak arguement but, if most agree that in Laurie's case abortion was okay, then abortions should be okay in other senerios as well.

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