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    Posted: 17 July 2004 at 4:31pm

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    I'm really tired of little newbs asking alot of the same quetions about Flatlines so I made this post. I'm going to sticky this because I'm not sure who to PM for permaission. If any moderators want to unsticky it then I'm sorry for wasting that moderator's time. Sorry If this has been done a while ago but the newbish questions still pop up.

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    This is what Tippman says about the Flaltine: Introducing the Flatline Barrel System made exclusively for the Tippmann A-5, 98 Custom and Model 98. This system is now available complete or as a conversion kit for your existing A-5, 98 Custom or Model 98. The Flatline Barrel System is the first production back spin barrel ever produced. The principle behind the system is Tippmann's newly designed slightly curved barrel, which applies centrifugal force to the ball, creating backspin. Not only does this system offer increased accuracy and distance but also offers flat trajectory for thick brush and canopy play. By minimizing trajectory of the ball and increasing accuracy, you increase the amount of targets which would ordinarily be out of range. The Flatline Barrel System adds 100 feet of flat trajectory GUARANTEED.

    Basically it adds backspin to the ball making the ball travel much farther than any normal (not curved) barrell. This backspin would, in zero gravity, cause the balls to curve in an upward motion. But, since we have gravity here on Earth, the gravity works against the upward curve which results in a straight line. The barrel only works on the A-5, 98 custom, and model 98.

BEST PAINT FOR FLATLINE: The absolute best paint for the Flatty are marbilizers. Zap and othe better quality rec paints work well though.

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If your Flaltine is not firing accuratly then there are a few quick things for you to check.

!!!: Practice with it! The barrel 7akes time to get used to so, before you become a Flatline hater, make sure it's not you who is causing the problems. Of couse if it is firing way off then check for these things...
1. Make sure you're using a good quality small bore paint
2. Make sure you installed it straight
3. Make sure your velocity is somewhere around 270 fps (the Flatline operates it's best at 270fps)
4. Make sure the barrel is clean
5. Check for abnormalities. like a bend to the right in the barrel or a dent. If you find any I'm sure the store would take it back or that Tippmann will send you a new one.

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I recently recieved a PM concerning this so I figured I'd add it here. If you tip your gun to the right or left the balls coming out of flatline will not have to work against the force of gravity in the same sence as before. This causes them to curve in the direction corresponding to the direction that the barrel is tipped. Some people, like myself, who have had considerable time to practice with this, find it to be a useful tool while others find it to be annoying. 

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The Flaltine barrel jams alot.
    Not true in the slightest. The Flaltine barrel will only really jam if you use crappy old paint or maybe Blue streaks or Walmart paint. If you know any other paint brands that are as bad as them or have broken in your experience with Flatline then PM with them. The Flatline is a large bore barrel but small-medium bore paint gets the best backspin.
    I personally use Zap Paintballs with my flatline. I have played alot of games and have not had one single break and have had great performance from the barrell.

You can't use it with the R/T or E-bolt/E-Grip.
    I don't even see the logic in this. When one of my friends told me this I had to try it so I got my friends gun who has R/T and put my Flatline on it and fired off a hopper full. Not one break. I hd to ask my local pro-shop about the E-bolt/E-Grip and he told me that I should have no problems.

The Flatline gives you bad accuracy.
    Also not true. The Flatline has great accuracy up to the point where it goes farther than any other barrel could even dream of going. A common misconseption is that the backspin makes the ball more vulnerable to wind and other weather conditions. This is false. The ball is only more vulnerable to those things at longer ranges like any other barrel. The longer the ball is out of any barrel the longer it is effected by these conditions and the more the accuracy will decrease.

The Flatline slows balls down.
    This barrel itself does not slow paintballs down and neither does the backspin. The balls appear to be moving slower because they are spinning and going much farther on a flatter plane.

It's hard to clean.
    Not really. for quick cleans a squeegee will do fine but for a better clean you might want to disassemble it and put it back on. But that's only if you really REALLY NEED to clean it better than a squeegee will work.
    A cool method of cleaning a ball break in the middle of a game was suggested a while ago. You take a bag with alcohol in it and put some cotton balls in it. When a ball breaks pull out the cotton swabs and put them in you gun manually (take off your hopper first and feed the swabas manually through the hole) and shoot them off. I don't know if this works because I have yet to have a ball break with the flatline but I will be trying it when I do have one.

    Also, don't worry about the installation proccess. All the needed tools come with it and I, being 13, was able to put it on straight in one try with no help.

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    The Flatline RULES!... For woodsball. For speed ball it is kind of big and you need a more compact gun for speedball. This barrel is definitly a must have for woodsball palyers with enough money. You will enjoy a huge increase in range and good accuracy.

    When peopel say bad things about the flatline it's really only because they personally dislike it. If anyone tells you something contradicting what I said here DON'T LISTEN TO THEM.

    If you are considering buyng the Flaltine do not be disuaded! Unless of course you play speedball. Then you really should avoid it.
Thanks for reading this post. Hopefully it will help contain the amounts of Flatline posts.

HEY DON'T LISTEN TO 98 SNIPER OR SHOTBYBOTHSIDES ESPECIALLY.

Update I'm going to be gettign a teardrop and A Lapco bigshot soon so I can finally prove that 98sniper is just being stupid.

W00t: I got the teardrop today and I must admit it is a nice barrel. I really like the red color. It's true that at normal range this barrel is very good but, 98sniper, there is no way for you to shoot as far as the Flatline. I took 10 shots at a tree about 160 feet away and hit it with the Flaltine 9 out of 10 times, the one miss being the first shot where I was taking aim. Then I took off my Flatline and put the teardrop on. The Ffirst shot was horrid. It went on line with the tree but fell very short. I tipped the gun upward and shot a few more each time tiping it up even more until finally the balls were reaching it but flying off very wide of the target. I ended up shooting 32 paintballs with the teardrop to hit the tree once. I'll be practicing weith this a little more to see if it improves when I get used to the tilting.

Update: I got better with the teardrop but it's no Flatline. Didn't get biggy for Christmas so I still dont have it. I'm probably not gonna get it though. Post has also been 1337z0r1z3d.



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thank you for posting this. Now all of these people can stop asking questions like "my barrel came bent, what should i do".
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lol, I'm actually kind of dissapointed that only 8 people have looked at it as of now.
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^its ok...if you build it they will come

nice post! definitely sticky worthy!

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very nice post, seems sticky worthy for awhile, but after a week or 2 I think it should be put in the Uber FAQ.
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Originally posted by Large Unit Large Unit wrote:

very nice post, seems sticky worthy for awhile, but after a week or 2 I think it should be put in the Uber FAQ.

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Yo dude, I cant get my flatline to stop curving and get decent accuracy out of it. Like i put in the barrel as straight as i can and this thing just wont be accurate what do i do?
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Thanks for the post, but did you check to see if it was okay for this to be sticky worthy? I believe there is a post in one of the other stickes that has this topic covered, but more in-depth.

Originally posted by XSAPaladin XSAPaladin wrote:

Yo dude, I cant get my flatline to stop curving and get decent accuracy out of it. Like i put in the barrel as straight as i can and this thing just wont be accurate what do i do?


Turn your velocity down, if it's curving upward. You should have your FPS at the 265-280 range. Sounds like you're shooting at 290+.

If it's curving to the right or left, check how you're holding your marker. You may be tilting it to the left or right. That will effect your shots a little as well.
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nice post man, and for the dude who said the ball was shooting inaccurately, check teh paintballs, and check the barrel run the squeege throught it a couple ot times, and also checkt o make sure the barrel is on direcectly straight, it may be hard to do, but u must do it...
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Originally posted by FlatlinePwnage FlatlinePwnage wrote:

nice post man, and for the dude who said the ball was shooting inaccurately, check teh paintballs, and check the barrel run the squeege throught it a couple ot times, and also checkt o make sure the barrel is on direcectly straight, it may be hard to do, but u must do it...
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i my self don't like the flatline i have seen to many probs with this thing. when a ball breaks it takes way longer to clean than just a regular barrel. i know tihs is because of the paint matching the barrel, but not every body can pick out what size paint they are going to give you. to me i don't think it is as great as everybody says. it might work for some people, but when i have to have some one cover me so i can move up. i don't trust them. you guys might no like what i just said but this is my 2 cents.
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I own one for the A5, my brother owns one for his 98 custom...

They are not all that they are cracked up to be. End of story.

I replaced it with a Armson stealth and have had an 80% accuracy increase and better shot-to-kill ratio then i ever had with that damn flatline, its fun to play around with and intimidates your enemy when they see it or hear about it, but it isnt something I'd use on a regular basis.

The barrel is subject to a "shotgun effect" (even at 270 fps with RPS marballizers), you will find that paintballs bouce off your targets even at close range under certain conditions.

 

Now as for the 98 Custom Flatline...Its total trash, the thing comes in multiple poorly machined pieces (unlike the A5's flatline that is one solid metal unit that resembles a supressors) the muzzel break falls off, the barrel is a serious pain in the ass to get set straight & the paintballs take a steep upward sloped path after flying straight for 30-45 feet. The paintballs (marbalizers) flew of a straight flight path then abruptly hurl upwards (think Fortune from Metal Gear Solid 2) and over your enemys heads

In other words while the A5 flatline loses effective velocity at extended range (resulting in the "shotgun effect")  the 98 custom flatline has a horrible effect that once your enemy find the point at which this happens, they can stand and return fire at you while your paintballs swirl upward and away from them (just like Fortune in MGS 2)

The entire system is clearly an after thought

The A5 version is a fun toy to goof around with, the 98 version is a nonworking rippoff.

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i my self don't like the flatline i have seen to many probs with this thing. when a ball breaks it takes way longer to clean than just a regular barrel. i know tihs is because of the paint matching the barrel, but not every body can pick out what size paint they are going to give you. to me i don't think it is as great as everybody says. it might work for some people, but when i have to have some one cover me so i can move up. i don't trust them. you guys might no like what i just said but this is my 2 cents.

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I own one for the A5, my brother owns one for his 98 custom...

They are not all that they are cracked up to be. End of story.I replaced it with a Armson stealth and have had an 80% accuracy increase and better shot-to-kill ratio then i ever had with that damn flatline, its fun to play around with and intimidates your enemy when they see it or hear about it, but it isnt something I'd use on a regular basis.

The barrel is subject to a "shotgun effect" (even at 270 fps with RPS marballizers), you will find that paintballs bouce off your targets even at close range under certain conditions.

 

Now as for the 98 Custom Flatline...Its total trash, the thing comes in multiple poorly machined pieces (unlike the A5's flatline that is one solid metal unit that resembles a supressors) the muzzel break falls off, the barrel is a serious pain in the ass to get set straight & the paintballs take a steep upward sloped path after flying straight for 30-45 feet. The paintballs (marbalizers) flew of a straight flight path then abruptly hurl upwards (think Fortune from Metal Gear Solid 2) and over your enemys heads

In other words while the A5 flatline loses effective velocity at extended range (resulting in the "shotgun effect")  the 98 custom flatline has a horrible effect that once your enemy find the point at which this happens, they can stand and return fire at you while your paintballs swirl upward and away from them (just like Fortune in MGS 2)

The entire system is clearly an after thought

The A5 version is a fun toy to goof around with, the 98 version is a nonworking rippoff.

Your opinions have been noted but frankly no one cares.
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Originally posted by Shotbybothsides Shotbybothsides wrote:

...I replaced it with a Armson stealth and have had an 80% accuracy increase...

That fact alone makes me doubt that anything in your post was true, but thanks for the laugh!

 



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It's possible that statement is true. If, for instance, they installed the barrel incorrectly, your accuracy would be terrible.

Improper use could also lead to inaccuracy. The velocity may be too high, the paint is lop sided, the marker isn't being shot right at the right angle, etc.

In any case, if one uses the flatline correctly, they are a force to be reckoned with.
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"my barrel came bent" ive never heard that one but thats pretty great haha
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My comment was more around the math he used to get "80% better accuracy".  As for the rest of his comments, I have the feeling he may not have followed the instructions, I've seen it with a lot with flatty's and if you dont ensure the barrel is all the way in, and lined up, it will be a disaster; I scratched a mark in the bottom of mine so I can take it out, clean it and put it back in the exact same position.  It does as it's advertised to do, which makes it worth the $ right there for me; I certainly didn't expect it to perform miracles or even be the best barrell out there, nor does Tippmann.  When I get intersted in upgrading my gun with something else, I certainy found it pays to check the forums out, pbreview sites and I always carefully read the negative comments; when I see "40% better..80% faster.." and nothing to back it up, I tend to wonder about the logic and move to the next post. If possible, it sure makes it easier to try it on a similar setup to my own gun, which I was able to do for most of the upgrades I've done. I certainly appreciate the boards here for the experiance and opinions that are represented, both pos and neg.

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I didn't read all the posts but a complaint I have read at other forums is this: The ball takes 4 seconds to shoot and is not good for fast action.

I would like a gun that can be used to snipe or for fast action so I don't have to carry two guns from field to field. I've considered the flatline for my custom 98 but would be highly pissed if I bought it, installed it, and it slowed my gun down.

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Tippmann fanboys, act civilized.

98sniper and Shotbybothsides are unhappy customers. They paid handsomely for hardware that was praised, but they failed them. To disregard their complaints is, really, pretty obnoxious.

I haven't used the Flatline yet, but I have experienced a few "defects" in my marker. I sent the gun in to Tippmann for a free repair, and the problem was gone.

This hardware is mass-produced, so you never know if what you are buying is a bad apple or not. My Playstation 2 was screwed up, so I sent it in and got it fixed. If you send in your products for adjustment or repair... maintenance and cleaning, even... you will be surprised by how well the product actually is.

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